Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[New Benian Republic]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

That's not even worth debating...

Alright let's adopt neutral terms such as militant.
Once Israel is gone or some thing and Palestine is united there will be no public support for such groups as Hamas and Fatah. So they'll just die out or disband.

[Skaaneland Continued]

I don't care about any of those peoples.

[New Benian Republic]

I don't care about any of those peoples.

Please expand upon this?

[Aelex]

Alright let's adopt neutral terms such as militant.
Once Israel is gone or some thing and Palestine is united there will be no public support for such groups as Hamas and Fatah. So they'll just die out or disband.

Or more likely they will continu with their little dictatorship.

[New Benian Republic]

Alright let's adopt neutral terms such as militant.
Once Israel is gone or some thing and Palestine is united there will be no public support for such groups as Hamas and Fatah. So they'll just die out or disband.

Or more likely they will continu with their little dictatorship.

They need a strong united front to combat Israel. Plus some populations quite enjoy authoritarian rule.

[Aelex]

They need a strong united front to combat Israel. Plus some populations quite enjoy authoritarian rule.

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[New Benian Republic]

They need a strong united front to combat Israel. Plus some populations quite enjoy authoritarian rule.

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Are you going to say some people don't enjoy authoritarian rule? Because Jordan is actually a monarchy.

[Aelex]

Are you going to say some people don't enjoy authoritarian rule? Because Jordan is actually a monarchy.

So by your own logic, some palestinian enjoy living in Israel, right?

[Gauthier]

I don't care about any of those peoples.

Please expand upon this?

Translation: "I want to be edgy by letting people know I don't care."

[Skaaneland Continued]

And there's Gauthier!!!!

[Kalosia]

For example what does the government of mostly Persian Shia Iran really care about the mostly Sunni Arab Muslims? Nothing of course.

"My enemy's enemy is my friend."

Um the estimate of those killed in the American Indian wars is some 19,000 whites and maybe 60,000 Native Americans/Amerindians.

There were truly horrible crimes committed by the U.S., but no genocide of millions. There are at least 3 to 5 million Native Americans/Amerindians in the U.S. today.

People keep talking about the Native Americans all being killed. That simply did not happen.

I also saw your points about those killed by imported diseases not being an intentional fault of the Americans, I do agree with you there, but I would take into consideration pre-US independence statistics (esp British) since mostly it was just a change of ownership.

60,000 is close to the amount of Palestinians killed in the past 70 years (according to the possible-inaccurate statistics on Wikipedia). Still, the territory the USA took was clearly greater than any amount of land Israel claims to own. It certainly isn't the fault of anyone living today, but I'm sure current Americans could try to not be racist towards them.

Once Israel is gone or some thing and Palestine is united there will be no public support for such groups as Hamas and Fatah. So they'll just die out or disband.

see also: Syrian Civil War

Are you going to say some people don't enjoy authoritarian rule? Because Jordan is actually a monarchy.

Under that logic, Sweden and the United Kingdom would be dictatorships.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Or more likely they will continu with their little dictatorship.

They need a strong united front to combat Israel. Plus some populations quite enjoy authoritarian rule.

The amount of examples in human history where an autocrat willingly gave up power after acheiving a major success can be counted on one hand. Autocrats who continued their rule untill their deaths on the other hand (no pun intended) are a common occurance. Assuming anything else would happen is foolishly naive.

Um the estimate of those killed in the American Indian wars is some 19,000 whites and maybe 60,000 Native Americans/Amerindians.

There were truly horrible crimes committed by the U.S., but no genocide of millions. There are at least 3 to 5 million Native Americans/Amerindians in the U.S. today.

People keep talking about the Native Americans all being killed. That simply did not happen.

I also saw your points about those killed by imported diseases not being an intentional fault of the Americans, I do agree with you there, but I would take into consideration pre-US independence statistics (esp British) since mostly it was just a change of ownership.

60,000 is close to the amount of Palestinians killed in the past 70 years (according to the possible-inaccurate statistics on Wikipedia). Still, the territory the USA took was clearly greater than any amount of land Israel claims to own. It certainly isn't the fault of anyone living today, but I'm sure current Americans could try to not be racist towards them.
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One should also remember that among the first memories of British/American settlement of the new world, in Jamestown, was a major indian raid only a few years after landing which nearly wiped out the colony, followed by a massive outbreak that nearly killed off the Powhaton. That wasnt a great starting point for American-Indian relations.

[Traxa]

What was palestine before israel...

So you don't want to answer, fine.
It was an area in which thousands lived happily be they Jewish, Christain and Muslim.

Being this delusional, baffles the mind..then I read your sig..angsty teens these days at least summer is almost over.

[New Benian Republic]

So you don't want to answer, fine.
It was an area in which thousands lived happily be they Jewish, Christain and Muslim.

Being this delusional, baffles the mind..then I read your sig..angsty teens these days at least summer is almost over.

I've been here for three years...

[Palakistan]

Jordan doesn't have as many terrorists.

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

History has proven Islam to not only conquer it's own land, but others as well. That's how Isalm became what it is now: through conquest. You can expect them to not move on from Israel and to other lands.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

History has proven Islam to not only conquer it's own land, but others as well. That's how Isalm became what it is now: through conquest. You can expect them to not move on from Israel and to other lands.

Welcome to almost every religion ever.

[New Benian Republic]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

History has proven Islam to not only conquer it's own land, but others as well. That's how Isalm became what it is now: through conquest. You can expect them to not move on from Israel and to other lands.

Let's just say that it was better for you city to be captured by Muslim then by christians.

[Kubra]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

History has proven Islam to not only conquer it's own land, but others as well. That's how Isalm became what it is now: through conquest. You can expect them to not move on from Israel and to other lands.

italy is just itching for a reason to annex epirus mirite

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Israel imprisons suspected Jewish militant without trial.

Well, at least their consistent about their shitty treatment of prisoners.

shitty treatment of prisoners?

god help you if the Hamas or Hezoballah catch you.

Fuck. Stop trying to make Israel seem good. Using an argument along the lines of "these guys might be a little bit worse sometimes plus theY'RE ARABS TERROR TERROR HIDE YOUR CHILDREN" is just lazy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If Fatah wins after Palestine is retaken then most likely you could.

And it isn't safe for you to be gay in Israeli occupied Palestine anyways http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/girl-israeli-gay-pride-jerusalem-dies-wounds-ultra-orthodox-jew-150802150339623.html
Not all resistance groups are Islamic by the way.

yes one homophobic attack vs hanging by hamas

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

History has proven Islam to not only conquer it's own land, but others as well. That's how Isalm became what it is now: through conquest. You can expect them to not move on from Israel and to other lands.

Have you literally never heard of the Crusades?

Or read the fucking Old Testament? Do you know how the Jews supposedly obtained the land of Israel? They genocided the inhabitants. With "God's blessing."

[Liberty and Linguistics]

yes one homophobic attack vs hanging by hamas

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

Pardon? It's a crime to be gay in Palestine, a legitimate crime that involves jailtimes and beatings. In Israel, civil unions are fully legal, and the country has a thriving gay community. So, what are you trying to say?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Once Palestine is free that means that Israel isn't there that's how there's no terrorists.

That's not even worth debating...

Palestinians use terrorism to try and stop Israeli genocide and expansionism.

Israel uses terrorism to genocide Palestinians and expand into Palestine.

There's a fundamental difference.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah

Pardon? It's a crime to be gay in Palestine, a legitimate crime that involves jailtimes and beatings. In Israel, civil unions are fully legal, and the country has a thriving gay community. So, what are you trying to say?

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

[Gauthier]

Pardon? It's a crime to be gay in Palestine, a legitimate crime that involves jailtimes and beatings. In Israel, civil unions are fully legal, and the country has a thriving gay community. So, what are you trying to say?

...that acting like Hamas is the single and final arbiter of the will of the Palestinian people is silly and inaccurate?

Everyone knows brown people are hiveminds, silly. Ebil Muslim Theorem.