Kubra wrote:idk you seem to be denying it by saying that because there's a few mil around that there was no death of millions, like yo may as well say there was no holodomor because the USSR population was till huge.Novus America wrote:
Assimilation and intermarriage means that 3 to 5 million number does do not reflect the whole picture.
But nobody is denying millions died from disease before there was a U.S.
But that mostly happened before the U.S.
There was genocide.
And the U.S. did commit genocidal actions, nobody is denying that. But it was thousands by the U.S., not millions.
Is Italy responsible for the crimes of the Roman Empire? And by the time of the arrival of English settlers most of the damage by disease had already been done as the Spanish so it would make more sense to blame Mexico as the successor to New Spain, although that also makes no sense.
And people moving despite having disease is different than just genocide, did the Mongols Genocide Europeans with the Plague? Is it fair to say modern Mongolia genocided millions for the crimes of the Mongol Empire?
The point is be honest, and do not blame one group for what others did.
If the Roman Empire or a directly-related successor state were in place on the italian continent, it'd be worth an admittance of any crimes.
And I don't think you realize that english and french settlers were around and wrote about watching the native population dying of an all too familiar disease. A lot of changes were made in how we practice medicine as a result of the black plague, including the importance of hygiene (more so than previously, than anyways) and the use of quarantine to control the spread of infection. Of course, there's no evidence of european settlers teaching the native population anything about disease. Funny story: french jesuits operating in among tribes, despite having some degree of medical training (it involved bleeding, but hey, they thought it worked), rarely used that training among the tribes sick. Rather, they were in the business of baptising the dying whilst no one was looking.
Well some comments have been implying or saying they were completely wiped out. We actually had somebody once saying whiping them out was good. Which is not true. The point is the were not wiped out and still exist. Which is important to note. The U.S. government despite mistreatment and forced relocations never had a policy of exterminating them all.
Millions did die from disease before there was a U.S. But millions were not killed by the U.S. government. Thousands were killed by the U.S. government.
Those are just the facts.
Unfortunately political debates tend to collapse into hyberbole.
And the U.S. is not the successor state (the whole concept of the successor state is doubtful anyway) to the British, French nor Spanish Empires.
