Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Gauthier]

Oh look, Godwin. "Palestinians are Nazis". Someone needs to tell the Neo-Nazis.

Oh look, Godwin. A non-rebuttal. Geez, Gauth, you make such convincing arguments.

Because there's other reasons to call Palestinians Nazis besides justifying Israel's shit treatment of them.

[United Marxist Nations]

This should serve as the casus belli for Israel invading Gaza. They've been given more than enough chances, it is time for the Palestinians to be evicted from there and the land permanently annexed to the Jewish state.

Exactly. The time for talk is over: it's time for brutal reprisals.

I'm glad to see you're able to take Hamas's point of view.

[Aushanit]

"Palestinian Arab Forces not the nation of Palestine people who lived in the area and fought for reasons I listed above.

And yes 74 seats held by Hamas with most of them coming from the Gaza Strip while the majority of the West Bank voted for Fatah or parties of similar ideology. Again a lot of support as I've said before are one of the most prominent and vocal advocates for independence and most of their support comes from areas like the West Bank were anti-Israeli sentiment is high thanks to the Gaza War back in 2008.

I'll let Evraim answer the first part for me.

That's a cop-out, and you know it. The Arab governmental bodies operating in Palestine at the time rallied the support of their allies from the aforementioned nations, and participated in the violence alongside them.

Hamas represents the feelings of thousands of Palestinians. And the 2008 war was entirely justified. Hamas had begun launching rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip. Israel was simply defending itself.

A group of Hamas operatives firing rockets do not justify invading a whole country. Taking action was justified but invasion was not. Around 1,000 civilian deaths reported and 2 billions dollars worth of damage cemented Hamas in the region and have Hamas support.

[Viritica]

Oh look, Godwin. A non-rebuttal. Geez, Gauth, you make such convincing arguments.

Because there's other reasons to call Palestinians Nazis besides justifying Israel's shit treatment of them.

Oh yes, the poor poor Palestinians. What with their rockets and guns and suicide bombers and Islamic extremism.

Literally no one here is calling them Nazis, and you've done absolutely nothing to refute the source what's his name provided.

You're dismissed.

[Viritica]

I'll let Evraim answer the first part for me.

Hamas represents the feelings of thousands of Palestinians. And the 2008 war was entirely justified. Hamas had begun launching rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip. Israel was simply defending itself.

A group of Hamas operatives firing rockets do not justify invading a whole country. Taking action was justified but invasion was not. Around 1,000 civilian deaths reported and 2 billions dollars worth of damage cemented Hamas in the region and have Hamas support.

Yes, it kind of does. Furthermore, the Gaza Strip is not a country so nice try.

[United States of Natan]

how dare they? and an American citizen?! the U.S. government should do something about this!

[Aushanit]

Because there's other reasons to call Palestinians Nazis besides justifying Israel's shit treatment of them.

Oh yes, the poor poor Palestinians. What with their rockets and guns and suicide bombers and Islamic extremism.

Literally no one here is calling them Nazis, and you've done absolutely nothing to refute the source what's his name provided.

You're dismissed.

If Israel didn't treat them like shot the terrorist would have ammunition to recruit ore terrorist buddy.

[United Marxist Nations]

A group of Hamas operatives firing rockets do not justify invading a whole country. Taking action was justified but invasion was not. Around 1,000 civilian deaths reported and 2 billions dollars worth of damage cemented Hamas in the region and have Hamas support.

Yes, it kind of does. Furthermore, the Gaza Strip is not a country so nice try.

It's part of Palestine. And, also, those civilian deaths only made things worse, along with Israel's other war-crimes.

[Viritica]

Oh yes, the poor poor Palestinians. What with their rockets and guns and suicide bombers and Islamic extremism.

Literally no one here is calling them Nazis, and you've done absolutely nothing to refute the source what's his name provided.

You're dismissed.

If Israel didn't treat them like shot the terrorist would have ammunition to recruit ore terrorist buddy.

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

[Viritica]

Yes, it kind of does. Furthermore, the Gaza Strip is not a country so nice try.

It's part of Palestine. And, also, those civilian deaths only made things worse, along with Israel's other war-crimes.

A state that's not even recognized by every country.

Furthermore, news flash: civilians die during wars. Your beloved Joseph Stalin knows that better than anybody.

[Canakhstan]

I feel little sympathy, considering how many Palestinians Israel murders.

[Aushanit]

A group of Hamas operatives firing rockets do not justify invading a whole country. Taking action was justified but invasion was not. Around 1,000 civilian deaths reported and 2 billions dollars worth of damage cemented Hamas in the region and have Hamas support.

Yes, it kind of does. Furthermore, the Gaza Strip is not a country so nice try.

Kinda is. It's a De Facto state part of the State of Palestine. And why is it so hard to do search and destroy operations against Hamas strong holds? Really not that hard considering Israel has some really advanced technology in which they can use to track Hamas members. They didn't need to invade and cause billions of dollars if damage and cause a large about of civilian deaths that could have been avoided by using more pinpoint tactics. That war cemented Hamas in the area and Israel basically have Hamas a safe haven in which to operate from.

[Aushanit]

It's part of Palestine. And, also, those civilian deaths only made things worse, along with Israel's other war-crimes.

A state that's not even recognized by every country.

Furthermore, news flash: civilians die during wars. Your beloved Joseph Stalin knows that better than anybody.

But they didn't need to die.

[United Marxist Nations]

It's part of Palestine. And, also, those civilian deaths only made things worse, along with Israel's other war-crimes.

A state that's not even recognized by every country.

Furthermore, news flash: civilians die during wars. Your beloved Joseph Stalin knows that better than anybody.

Neither is Israel.

Also, care to find a case of the Soviet military purposely bombing a school? Or a UN compound?

And those aren't the only war-crimes.

[United Marxist Nations]

If Israel didn't treat them like shot the terrorist would have ammunition to recruit ore terrorist buddy.

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

Israel was the aggressor in 1948; they founded their illegitimate state against the wishes of the Palestinian people who lived there and made up the majority of the population.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Is this any different than them being killed by the SA?

[Viritica]

A state that's not even recognized by every country.

Furthermore, news flash: civilians die during wars. Your beloved Joseph Stalin knows that better than anybody.

1. Neither is Israel.

2. Also, care to find a case of the Soviet military purposely bombing a school? Or a UN compound?

3. And those aren't the only war-crimes.

1. Yes, it's not recognized by Iran and a few other Islamic shitholes. Still has more recognition that Palestine, though.
2. I could find worse, if you want me to.
3. Do tell.

[Aushanit]

If Israel didn't treat them like shot the terrorist would have ammunition to recruit ore terrorist buddy.

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

A war fought in 1948 is ground to still occupy a de Facto independent state? How interesting do tell me more how the past should justify these actions. That's like me saying let's go beat some Germans because they were Nazis in WWII. If Israel stops be aggressive in its occupation and instead works with the Fatah party (who currently hold the presidency) shit wouldn't be nearly as bad for them as it is now.

[United Marxist Nations]

Is this any different than them being killed by the SA?

Considering that Israel is the one establishing illegal settlements of Jews in territories that it illegally occupies, it's nothing like that.

[Viritica]

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

Israel was the aggressor in 1948; they founded their illegitimate state against the wishes of the Palestinian people who lived there and made up the majority of the population.

No, it wasn't. It was attacked during an unprovoked war of aggression. Furthermore, the land was legitimately given to them by the UN so your argument is invalid.

[Gauthier]

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

A war fought in 1948 is ground to still occupy a de Facto independent state? How interesting do tell me more how the past should justify these actions. That's like me saying let's go beat some Germans because they were Nazis in WWII. If Israel stops be aggressive in its occupation and instead works with the Fatah party (who currently hold the presidency) shit wouldn't be nearly as bad for them as it is now.

Funny how people like to forget Israel propped up Hamas to specifically undermine Fatah.

[United States of Natan]

If they never invaded during an unprovoked war of aggression Israel wouldn't have grounds to occupy them.

Israel was the aggressor in 1948; they founded their illegitimate state against the wishes of the Palestinian people who lived there and made up the majority of the population.

Israel is legit. the land belonged to the Jewish People long ago, and they are now reclaiming the land they were forced from by the arabs, and are kind enough to share it with them. besides, the UN set aside to sets of land: one for the arabs, one for the Jews.

[Viritica]

A war fought in 1948 is ground to still occupy a de Facto independent state? How interesting do tell me more how the past should justify these actions. That's like me saying let's go beat some Germans because they were Nazis in WWII. If Israel stops be aggressive in its occupation and instead works with the Fatah party (who currently hold the presidency) shit wouldn't be nearly as bad for them as it is now.

Funny how people like to forget Israel propped up Hamas to specifically undermine Fatah.

You still haven't shown any proof of that.

[Aushanit]

1. Neither is Israel.

2. Also, care to find a case of the Soviet military purposely bombing a school? Or a UN compound?

3. And those aren't the only war-crimes.

1. Yes, it's not recognized by Iran and a few other Islamic shitholes. Still has more recognition that Palestine, though.
2. I could find worse, if you want me to.
3. Do tell.

134 UN members recognize Palestine
160 UN members recognize Israel

Really not a huge difference only 26 nation difference.

[Gauthier]

Funny how people like to forget Israel propped up Hamas to specifically undermine Fatah.

You still haven't shown any proof of that.

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