Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Prussia-Steinbach]

But god forbid Israel should lay down arms.

And why the fuck should they lay down arms?

Because they're in the wrong.

[MERIZoC]

But god forbid Israel should lay down arms.

And why the fuck should they lay down arms?

Why should the Palestinians if they don't?

[Geilinor]

And why the fuck should they lay down arms?

Because they're in the wrong.

So Israel has always been wrong, and its neighbors have always been right?

[West Aurelia]

Hamas declares an intifada in Gaza.

[Uxupox]

Hamas declares an intifada in Gaza.

Hamas is at it again. Fucking impeding progress with violence yet again.

[MERIZoC]

Hamas declares an intifada in Gaza.

Honestly, this isn't as much a declaration as a labeling. We've been at this for months, since the attack on Gaza ended, it's only just recently that the conflict has escalated to this point. We'll wait to see what happens.

[Alyakia]

Hamas declares an intifada in Gaza.

Hamas is at it again. Fucking impeding progress with violence yet again.

>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

[Agerland]

The way I understand it, Hamas has terrorized the Palestinian government into giving them control of the entire territory. Essentially, they are the government now. I'm not sure how oversimplified that is, but it sounds like them.

[Aelex]

Because they're in the wrong.

For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

Now, the wronger are the Palestinians. If they used diplomacy rather than strait-up tried to genocide the Israeli, nor tried to do it again repetitively during the course of the year, they wouldn't be in such deep shit nowadays.

[MERIZoC]

The way I understand it, Hamas has terrorized the Palestinian government into giving them control of the entire territory. Essentially, they are the government now. I'm not sure how oversimplified that is, but it sounds like them.

More wrong than oversimplified. For one, Hamas can't really terrorize the palestinian government because they're part of it. They're one of the major political parties. Hamas controls Gaza, the small strip in the southwest of the region. Fatah de jure controls the West Bank, but both Hamas, and to a much larger extent, the IDF, wield power over the region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Legislative_Council
Hamas controls the legislative council, but the President of Palestine is Mahmoud Abbas, a Fatah member. He is also the leader of the Palestinian National Authority. What real power he holds is questionable, given both the independence of the beliefs and actions of Palestinian people, the freedom with which Hamas operates, and the concessions the PNA has given to Israel. Both Hamas and Fatah have made attempts to politically marginalize the other, with some success for both sides.

[MERIZoC]

Because they're in the wrong.

For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

Now, the wronger are the Palestinians. If they used diplomacy rather than strait-up tried to genocide the Israeli, nor tried to do it again repetitively during the course of the year, they wouldn't be in such deep shit nowadays.

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

[Jamzmania]

For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

Now, the wronger are the Palestinians. If they used diplomacy rather than strait-up tried to genocide the Israeli, nor tried to do it again repetitively during the course of the year, they wouldn't be in such deep shit nowadays.

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Israel has been under constant threat since it's conception, and Hamas and their benefactors do advocate the genocide of the Israeli Jews.

[Aelex]

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Correction, they never MANAGED to genocide the Israelien. If they had the opportunity, there are little to no doubts of what would have happened.

[MERIZoC]

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Israel has been under constant threat since it's conception, and Hamas and their benefactors do advocate the genocide of the Israeli Jews.

Do you read what I say before starting to build the strawman, or do you just find it easier to skip the first step?

[MERIZoC]

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Correction, they never MANAGED to genocide the Israelien. If they had the opportunity, there are little to no doubts of what would have happened.

When have they attempted genocide?

[Uxupox]

Hamas is at it again. Fucking impeding progress with violence yet again.

>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

[Jamzmania]

Israel has been under constant threat since it's conception, and Hamas and their benefactors do advocate the genocide of the Israeli Jews.

Do you read what I say before starting to build the strawman, or do you just find it easier to skip the first step?

I'm simply giving you the facts, I don't know what strawman you refer to.

[Gauthier]

>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

Because Israel and the Western world is going to feel shame when Palestinians are beaten and killed.

[Uxupox]

For refusing to be slaughtered and responding to violence with violence? Excuse me but their behavior is quite excusable.

Now, the wronger are the Palestinians. If they used diplomacy rather than strait-up tried to genocide the Israeli, nor tried to do it again repetitively during the course of the year, they wouldn't be in such deep shit nowadays.

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Maybe not them. But Hamas probably is and if the Israeli neighbors won the war in 1948 well... There would be a lot less Arab Jews today.

[Alyakia]

>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

there is a reason that "peaceful resistance? more settlements. violent resistance? more settlements. go to UN? more settlements. don't go to UN? more settlements." became a meme

[Jamzmania]

Hamas is at it again. Fucking impeding progress with violence yet again.

>hamas is to blame because they respond to israeli violence with anything but absolute submission

Hamas is to blame because they constantly commit to violence instead of peace.

[Uxupox]

So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

Because Israel and the Western world is going to feel shame when Palestinians are beaten and killed.

Heck I'm not even for the bombings against Gaza but if you keep throwing rockets trying to sporadically kill an innocent bystander then the consequences are gonna be severe.

[Gauthier]

The Palestinians have never attempted genocide. Stop lying.

Maybe not them. But Hamas probably is and if the Israeli neighbors won the war in 1948 well... There would be a lot less Arab Jews today.

Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.

[Uxupox]

So answer violence with violence? Yea that's gonna work out great.

there is a reason that "peaceful resistance? more settlements. violent resistance? more settlements. go to UN? more settlements. don't go to UN? more settlements." became a meme

That's still doesn't justify calling for the deaths of the Israelis and the sporadic attacks that Hamas does.

[Jamzmania]

Maybe not them. But Hamas probably is and if the Israeli neighbors won the war in 1948 well... There would be a lot less Arab Jews today.

Attempting Genocide with rockets that have to have most of its explosive warhead removed to be even able to reach Israeli territory and might kill a handful of people on a really, really lucky day. Good one.

When Israeli casualties even begin to reach half the amount of Palestinian casualties, then using the term "genocide" won't come off as pure bullshit.

Doesn't change the fact that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.