Israel / Gaza / Hamas Mega-Thread

[Yehudda]

At least that's what they claim.

I actually believe That. They were so scared of fighting with us again they didn't let others launch rockets against us. After 2 years, Hamas forgot what it feels like to get bombed again, so they started launching rockets again

They did decrease their actions dramatically, close to 0.
BUT do you really believe they stop other from attacking us? Obviously not.

[Talanzaar]

If the Palestine people could somehow do away with Hamas, I think a lot of issues would go away.

If they could get all of the terrorists away, there wouldn't be a Palestinian population.

Seriously?

[Iuronia]

So, there is at least 4 operating terrorist units in Gaza.

And you expect Israel to walk in and shake hands with everyone?

NEWS FLASH: Oh wait. They tried. Several times.

yes

NEWS FLASH: the ceasefires were massively successful until israel broke them

Literally the opposite.

[Alyakia]

I actually believe That. They were so scared of fighting with us again they didn't let others launch rockets against us. After 2 years, Hamas forgot what it feels like to get bombed again, so they started launching rockets again

They did decrease their actions dramatically, close to 0.
BUT do you really believe they stop other from attacking us? Obviously not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikilea ... -IRAN.html

There have been a number of violations of the ceasefire on the Gaza side, but Palestinian factions other than Hamas were responsible. Hacham said the Israelis assess that Hamas is making a serious effort to convince the other factions not to launch rockets or mortars.

[Alyakia]

yes

NEWS FLASH: the ceasefires were massively successful until israel broke them

Literally the opposite.

oh just see above

[Kalosia]

Hi.
We do want to help the civilians their, we agreed to 2 humanitarian ceasefires (Both of them broken by Hamas, who apparently hates the "Palestinian people").
As well, as it's very effective. It's a thing we call "Sikul Memukad"- it's from the air, now we warn every civilian to stay out of where we bomb a terrorist, but many times they just don't listen.
Plus, Hamas wants them dead because then some ignorant people around the world condemn the careful Israel because Hamas makes sure the Gazan civilians die as human shields.

Definitely correct. Israel has NO intentions killing civilians, unfortunately and accidentally they do. Hamas WANTS Me and any other Israeli dead just for being Jews, thing is they just can't do it, God is protecting us.

Unfortunately hatred exists on both sides. There are Israelis celebrating rockets launched into Gaza, and there are Palestinians celebrating rockets launched into Israel. There are Israelis joining the IDF because they want to "kill Arabs", and there are Palestinians joining Hamas because they want to "kill Jews". This is only in individuals and not as either society as a whole, but it adds more fuel to the fire, and must be stopped.

Israel is the only nation maybe that takes care of civilians that got injured on the other side. When they launch rockets at us, Not Iran, not Qatar and not Turkey. None of these countries provide Gaza with humanitarian help, with food, water, electricity, toys etc. it's Israel! I'm sorry to say it, but supporting Hamas is not called being Pro-Palestinian, it's called being Anti-Semitic!

Yeah, I don't support Hamas either. Even though they were democratically elected into the parliament, they took over Gaza in a bloody coup and there were cases where they killed Fatah members (and vice versa). We know the Fatah-lead West Bank is better off than Gaza (even though there are Israeli settlements).
Don't forget other nations like Egypt and Indonesia (my country).

none of those countries blockade gaza and don't let toys through (where did you get the idea you give them toys?) either, so it's kinda uh your responsibility to do it

I don't know about the toys part, but Gaza only borders Egypt and Israel, so of course none of those countries are geographically able to blockade Gaza.

[The Republic of Merrimont]

If the Palestine people could somehow do away with Hamas, I think a lot of issues would go away.

If they could get all of the terrorists away, there wouldn't be a Palestinian population.

Your joking right?

[Farnhamia]

Yes, because all Palestinians want to exterminate jews, right.

I would call out your sarcasm, but since your sarcasm is a correct statement, I'll let it be.

If the Palestine people could somehow do away with Hamas, I think a lot of issues would go away.

If they could get all of the terrorists away, there wouldn't be a Palestinian population.

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[Great Israel]

I actually believe That. They were so scared of fighting with us again they didn't let others launch rockets against us. After 2 years, Hamas forgot what it feels like to get bombed again, so they started launching rockets again

They did decrease their actions dramatically, close to 0.
BUT do you really believe they stop other from attacking us? Obviously not.

Yea you're right. Obviously it's one of their propaganda stories. In fact, I don't see Fatah more moderate than Hamas. Fatah since their creation until the Oslo crime (as we call it) where they tried to look less like suicide bombers, was worse than Hamas and did suicide bombings. All of a sudden, they are legit. What will happen later? Second Oslo accords? Where Israel will negotiate with Hamas? note that both Fatah and Hamas have in their constitution a saying where they claim to destroy Israel. The only 2 differences between the 2 is
1. Fatah is secular, Hamas is Islamist.
2. Fatah is supported by the Arab World, Hamas is hated by it and only supported by terrorist sponsors like Iran, Qatar, partly Saudia, and soon Turkey

[Yehudda]

They did decrease their actions dramatically, close to 0.
BUT do you really believe they stop other from attacking us? Obviously not.

Yea you're right. Obviously it's one of their propaganda stories. In fact, I don't see Fatah more moderate than Hamas. Fatah since their creation until the Oslo crime (as we call it) where they tried to look less like suicide bombers. All of a sudden, they are legit. What will happen later? Second Oslo accords? Where Israel will negotiate with Hamas? note that both Fatah and Hamas have in their constitution a saying where they claim to destroy Israel

It's not even only until Oslo, there was still the Second Intifada.
Both of them are anti-Israeli and antisemitic, unfortunately the left does not see that.

[Kalosia]

Do me a favor, do you think that they couldn't send humanitarian help to Gaza if they requested Israel to enter Gaza? I'll tell you more than that, Israel has no control of the Egypt-Gaza border, why doesn't humanitarian help come from there? And by the way, even if no other nation does that, It's not Israel's responsibility to give humanitarian help to its enemy, what other nation would do that?

I thought your enemy is Hamas, not Palestine? But I get your point.

And like I said, humanitarian aid DOES come into Gaza. It's only not easy due to border-crossing restrictions, but it's not like Egypt or Israel would like militants walking freely in their land.

If the Palestine people could somehow do away with Hamas, I think a lot of issues would go away.

This pretty much sums up my entire opinion regarding this whole conflict.

[Roski]

I would call out your sarcasm, but since your sarcasm is a correct statement, I'll let it be.

If they could get all of the terrorists away, there wouldn't be a Palestinian population.

*** Warned for trolling ***

I wasn't trolling or even intending to be trolling, but ok.

[Roski]

If they could get all of the terrorists away, there wouldn't be a Palestinian population.

Your joking right?

No. I'm very serious.

[Roski]

Why would I delete it?

because it's an utterly repugnant disgusting thing to say and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying it

"If they could get all of the thieves away, there wouldn't be a Jewish population"

Do you mean Palestinians?

I don't understand what you have with this "They stole land that the arabs stole from them" thing.

[Kalosia]

Yea you're right. Obviously it's one of their propaganda stories. In fact, I don't see Fatah more moderate than Hamas. Fatah since their creation until the Oslo crime (as we call it) where they tried to look less like suicide bombers. All of a sudden, they are legit. What will happen later? Second Oslo accords? Where Israel will negotiate with Hamas? note that both Fatah and Hamas have in their constitution a saying where they claim to destroy Israel

It's not even only until Oslo, there was still the Second Intifada.
Both of them are anti-Israeli and antisemitic, unfortunately the left does not see that.

While I haven't actually taken a look at what Fatah has done against Israel in recent times, I know that they've claimed to help the search for the 3 boys, and Israel could get away with building settlements in the West Bank.

Regarding propaganda, I think both sides are biased, which is why I'm rather careful in believing what I read.

[Farnhamia]

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I wasn't trolling or even intending to be trolling, but ok.

"All X are Y" statements, when the statements are negative, are inherently trolling. Your intent is not relevant. You basically said that all Palestinians - all of them, everyone - are terrorists and the best solution is to get rid of them. How is that not trollish?

[Yehudda]

It's not even only until Oslo, there was still the Second Intifada.
Both of them are anti-Israeli and antisemitic, unfortunately the left does not see that.

While I haven't actually taken a look at what Fatah has done against Israel in recent times, I know that they've claimed to help the search for the 3 boys, and Israel could get away with building settlements in the West Bank.

Regarding propaganda, I think both sides are biased, which is why I'm rather careful in believing what I read.

What I know is Abu-Mazen condemned the kidnapping, with the rest of the Fatah pretty much supporting it.
And:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_intifada
(Fatah is in the PLO).

And we are definitely not biased, I mean, the media even in Israel is mainly leftist.
Nearly no media, even in Israel, is actually fully representing Israel, which is mainly Right-Wing.

[Great Israel]

I'll say it again. There is a difference between being Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Hamas. Pro-Hamas is Anti-Semitism. Po-Palestinianism is divided
Into 2, also anti-Semitism, and Hope for peace. Unfortunately most of the world in Antisenitic rather than Anti Zionist, which have little, but a lot in difference

[Yehudda]

I'll say it again. There is a difference between being Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Hamas. Pro-Hamas is Anti-Semitism. Po-Palestinianism is divided
Into 2, also anti-Semitism, and Hope for peace. Unfortunately most of the world in Antisenitic rather than Anti Zionist, which have little, but a lot in difference

"Pro-Palestinian"-ism is divided into:
1. Antisemites
2. Ignorants

Yes, pretty much.

[Roski]

I wasn't trolling or even intending to be trolling, but ok.

"All X are Y" statements, when the statements are negative, are inherently trolling. Your intent is not relevant. You basically said that all Palestinians - all of them, everyone - are terrorists and the best solution is to get rid of them. How is that not trollish?

The same way unpopular opinions are not, or the same way:
This in specific isn't.

[Talanzaar]

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I wasn't trolling or even intending to be trolling, but ok.

You can't be serious. By that logic, you can say that if we could get rid of all the zionists, there wouldn't be a Israel population, or if we could get rid of all gay people, AIDS wouldn't exist. You should really rethink that statement.

[Tule]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... rael,_2013

For the last year, Hamas has not only refrained from launching rockets but has attempted to prevent other militant groups in the area from launching their rockets as well.

At least that's what they claim.

Actually, that's what the other groups say. Hamas denies it.

[Kalosia]

While I haven't actually taken a look at what Fatah has done against Israel in recent times, I know that they've claimed to help the search for the 3 boys, and Israel could get away with building settlements in the West Bank.

Regarding propaganda, I think both sides are biased, which is why I'm rather careful in believing what I read.

What I know is Abu-Mazen condemned the kidnapping, with the rest of the Fatah pretty much supporting it.
And:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_intifada
(Fatah is in the PLO).

And we are definitely not biased, I mean, the media even in Israel is mainly leftist.
Nearly no media, even in Israel, is actually fully representing Israel, which is mainly Right-Wing.

Well, what I can say is that anti-Semitic media is definitely biased - there was a website that portrayed the murder of Abu Khdeir as "one of their ritual sacrifices" and made no reference to the 3 Israeli teenagers. I listened to a speech yesterday saying that it was a responsibility for Jews to kill Muslims (and before you say it's the other way around, I know.)

Also I haven't really payed attention to anything happening before 2005, since control of Gaza was given entirely to Palestinians at around that year. I'll read it when I have more time tho.

[Great Israel]

What I know is Abu-Mazen condemned the kidnapping, with the rest of the Fatah pretty much supporting it.
And:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_intifada
(Fatah is in the PLO).

And we are definitely not biased, I mean, the media even in Israel is mainly leftist.
Nearly no media, even in Israel, is actually fully representing Israel, which is mainly Right-Wing.

Well, what I can say is that anti-Semitic media is definitely biased - there was a website that portrayed the murder of Abu Khdeir as "one of their ritual sacrifices" and made no reference to the 3 Israeli teenagers. I listened to a speech yesterday saying that it was a responsibility for Jews to kill Muslims (and before you say it's the other way around, I know.)

Also I haven't really payed attention to anything happening before 2005, since control of Gaza was given entirely to Palestinians at around that year. I'll read it when I have more time tho.

As an Israeli let me say, even the mainstream media in Israel is antisemitic

[Roski]

I wasn't trolling or even intending to be trolling, but ok.

You can't be serious. By that logic, you can say that if we could get rid of all the zionists, there wouldn't be a Israel population, or if we could get rid of all gay people, AIDS wouldn't exist. You should really rethink that statement.

What I bolded is a correct statement.

What I underlined is not.

Especially since a zionist is: Well, the creation of Israel instead of it remaining Trans-Jordan.