Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[The Black Forrest]

No.


Perhaps, but once you provide medical insurance to your employee, what right do you have to pick and choose what medical treatment the employee gets?

If, once I give a beggar money, does the beggar have a right to determine the amount?

If you give a begger money, do you control how it is used?

[Mavorpen]

No.


Perhaps, but once you provide medical insurance to your employee, what right do you have to pick and choose what medical treatment the employee gets?

If, once I give a beggar money, does the beggar have a right to determine the amount?

Er, this analogy doesn't make any sense. If you gave him the money and said "now, you can only use it to buy chips," that's actually analogous to the topic.

[Myrensis]

The effects of decision based on the statements by the Supreme Court itself

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ca ... ns-n144526

One of the many reasons this ruling is stupid. The purely arbitrary, "Sometimes you can refuse to provide things for religious reasons, sometimes you can't...because reasons. Want to know which ones and why? Take it to the Supreme Court, we'll make it up as we go along."

But in a dissenting opinion signed by the two other female justices and justice Stephen Breyer, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she didn’t buy that and says the majority ruling amounts to the court deciding which religious beliefs are worthy: “…how does the Court divine which religious beliefs are worthy of accommodation, and which are not?” she asked.

“And where is the stopping point to the ‘let the government pay’ alternative? Suppose an employer’s sincerely held religious belief is offended by health coverage of vaccines, or paying the minimum wage,” she asks.

I suppose I can just hope that cheering a ruling that literally says the Court will decide which religious beliefs are important and which aren't will come back to bite these people in the ass.

[Genivaria]

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

No.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

Perhaps, but once you provide medical insurance to your employee, what right do you have to pick and choose what medical treatment the employee gets?

Frankly I think corporations over a certain annual profit line should be required by law to give employees health insurance, it would reduce medicare costs.
Same principle applies to Walmart basically forcing it's customers into needing welfare.

[JesusOfNazareth]

If, once I give a beggar money, does the beggar have a right to determine the amount?

If you give a begger money, do you control how it is used?

If I suspect that the beggar will do something harmful, then I don't give the charity in the first place.

In this case, I draw up a contract with the healthcare insurance company that doesn't pay for suspected abortive drugs.

[The Black Forrest]

If you give a begger money, do you control how it is used?

If I suspect that the beggar will do something harmful, then I don't give the charity in the first place.

How do you know what he will or will not do?

In this case, I draw up a contract with the healthcare insurance company that doesn't pay for suspected abortive drugs.

And why do you get to dictate what your employees may or may not do?

[Jamjai]

only provides to individuals

coparations is a group of people

[Genivaria]

If you give a begger money, do you control how it is used?

If I suspect that the beggar will do something harmful, then I don't give the charity in the first place.

In this case, I draw up a contract with the healthcare insurance company that doesn't pay for suspected abortive drugs.

Contraceptives are not 'abortive drugs', learn what the fuck you're talking about.

[JesusOfNazareth]

If, once I give a beggar money, does the beggar have a right to determine the amount?

Er, this analogy doesn't make any sense. If you gave him the money and said "now, you can only use it to buy chips," that's actually analogous to the topic.

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

[The Black Forrest]

only provides to individuals

Eh?

[Mavorpen]

Er, this analogy doesn't make any sense. If you gave him the money and said "now, you can only use it to buy chips," that's actually analogous to the topic.

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

Then that would be analogous to not giving any health insurance.

[The Black Forrest]

Er, this analogy doesn't make any sense. If you gave him the money and said "now, you can only use it to buy chips," that's actually analogous to the topic.

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

Charity has rules?

[Genivaria]

Er, this analogy doesn't make any sense. If you gave him the money and said "now, you can only use it to buy chips," that's actually analogous to the topic.

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

"I'm going to make sure I don't get pregnant dooming any chance of getting a proper career while I'm not in a situation to care for a child anyway."
That isn't a good enough reason?

[JesusOfNazareth]

If I suspect that the beggar will do something harmful, then I don't give the charity in the first place.

In this case, I draw up a contract with the healthcare insurance company that doesn't pay for suspected abortive drugs.

Contraceptives are not 'abortive drugs', learn what the fuck you're talking about.

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

[Trollzilla]

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

"I'm going to make sure I don't get pregnant dooming any chance of getting a proper career while I'm not in a situation to care for a child anyway."
That isn't a good enough reason?

and its not like people lie to get the money.

[Mavorpen]

Contraceptives are not 'abortive drugs', learn what the fuck you're talking about.

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

*cough*Bullshit*cough*

[Viritica]

I'm kind of split on this. Religious freedom is important, but your freedoms end where my rights begin.

[Genivaria]

Contraceptives are not 'abortive drugs', learn what the fuck you're talking about.

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

You're equating apples to oranges here, it is not abortion. No matter how much you'd like to stretch the definition.

[The Scientific States]

Contraceptives are not 'abortive drugs', learn what the fuck you're talking about.

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

I find it ironic that you're telling us to learn what we're talking about.

[Genivaria]

I'm kind of split on this. Religious freedom is important, but your freedoms end where my rights begin.

This has nothing to do with religious freedom, businesses do not have religions so how can they have religious freedoms?
They don't have ANY freedoms for that matter.

[JesusOfNazareth]

But, before giving charity you could ask what the beggar intends to do with the money and predicate your gift on the answer.

"I'm going to make sure I don't get pregnant dooming any chance of getting a proper career while I'm not in a situation to care for a child anyway."
That isn't a good enough reason?

Oh, you're going to use that money learn abstinance? Excellent! Take this penny and hold it between your crossed legs whenever you feel the urge to engage in sex before you're ready to have a child.

[The Scientific States]

I'm kind of split on this. Religious freedom is important, but your freedoms end where my rights begin.

It's not religious freedom.

[Mavorpen]

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

You're equating apples to oranges here, it is not abortion. No matter how much you'd like to stretch the definition.

The funny part is that he's completely and utterly wrong. Hobby Lobby didn't provide a shred of evidence that they actually induce abortion, and Altio ADMITTED that it didn't matter whether they did or not, stating: “The owners of the businesses have religious objections to abortion, and according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue are abortifacients.”

In other words, these five has essentially determined that religion>scientific facts. Fucking fantastic.

[Genivaria]

"I'm going to make sure I don't get pregnant dooming any chance of getting a proper career while I'm not in a situation to care for a child anyway."
That isn't a good enough reason?

Oh, you're going to use that money learn abstinance? Excellent! Take this penny and hold it between your crossed legs whenever you feel the urge to engage in sex before you're ready to have a child.

What the fuck?
Ah I see, you're one of those people who don't understand how reproduction works and yet you want to tell women what they can do with their own bodies.

[JesusOfNazareth]

Not all contraceptives are "abortive drugs".

The four drugs at the heart of the case cause the sloughing off of the uterine wall, effectively aborting a fertilized and implanted egg.

Study the case and learn what the fuck you're talking about.

I find it ironic that you're telling us to learn what we're talking about.

That's because you're coming from an angle of ignorance about both me and the case.