Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[Aravea]

They'll just say he's not a "True Christian".

The last guy was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so, you know ...

It's too bad JPII didn't live longer...

[New Terricon]

It would be nice to see America under a new system, whatever it may be. But since revolution is impossible in America due to its undying patriotic/god fearing platform, I can only fantasize about a better America. Change will never happen in America, no matter if I advocate for somebody in elections or attempt to incite rebellion. So I am left to fantasize about a better America.
Screw it, I shall defect to Canada before the American Inquisition happens.

[Trollzilla]

The effects of decision based on the statements by the Supreme Court itself

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ca ... ns-n144526

[JesusOfNazareth]

So, he's not saying that the opinions leftists on what's right and wrong change with the wind, just that people who love it when a decision goes their way and hate it when it doesn't are poor sports.

In other words, he doesn't understand politics and ideology.

Why would or should a socialist be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits corporations?
Why would or should a conservative christian be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits LGBT people?

There is no "poor sportsmanship" in criticising a court for doing something that your ideology finds worthy condemnation.

IF you're not gloating about those decisions that you agree with.

Not saying that anyone should give up on their firmly held beliefs. What you ought to do is lobby your legislators for a law that addresses your greivance in a constitutional manner. But, this time, the socialists lost this one.

[Aravea]

It would be nice to see America under a new system, whatever it may be. But since revolution is impossible in America due to its undying patriotic/god fearing platform, I can only fantasize about a better America. Change will never happen in America, no matter if I advocate for somebody in elections or attempt to incite rebellion. So I am left to fantasize about a better America.
Screw it, I shall defect to Canada before the American Inquisition happens.

Well see ya and enjoy the snow...

[Maineiacs]

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

They'll just say he's not a "True Christian".

A lot of them already don't consider Catholics to be Christian.

[JesusOfNazareth]

Well, if, as an emplyoyer, I want to provide my employees with dark chocolate bars and someone's not happy with it because the wanted milk chocolate, then they can buy their own chocolate.

Chocolate is not a pharmaceutical product.

If someone is giving you a discount on something, or a gift, the gracious thing to do is be thankful that it's being provided at all.

The thing is, this "discount" or "gift" is something I receive in exchange for spending hours each day contributing to the increasing wealth of the person who gave me the "discount" or "gift". It's something that it's their duty to provide because my quality of life now depends on them.

Imagining that you receive gifts at Christmas time (or Winter Solstice, if Christmas isn't your thing), do you berate your friends and family for not giving you exactly what you wanted the way you wanted it? Do you demand that they take it back to the store and get you what you want? No. You either live with it, re-gift it to someone, take it back yourself to the store for an exchange, or donate it.

Read above and find yourself an analogy that actually works.

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

[Farnhamia]

Chocolate is not a pharmaceutical product.


The thing is, this "discount" or "gift" is something I receive in exchange for spending hours each day contributing to the increasing wealth of the person who gave me the "discount" or "gift". It's something that it's their duty to provide because my quality of life now depends on them.


Read above and find yourself an analogy that actually works.

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

Knock it off.

[Neo Rome Republic]

In other words, he doesn't understand politics and ideology.

Why would or should a socialist be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits corporations?
Why would or should a conservative christian be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits LGBT people?

There is no "poor sportsmanship" in criticising a court for doing something that your ideology finds worthy condemnation.

IF you're not gloating about those decisions that you agree with.

Not saying that anyone should give up on their firmly held beliefs. What you ought to do is lobby your legislators for a law that addresses your greivance in a constitutional manner. But, this time, the socialists lost this one.

America has a powerful Socialist political group? Really? Since when?

[Myrensis]

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

That still doesn't make it a 'gift'. The employer benefits from the arrangement, because as it turns out people are generally more productive when they're not dead, dying, sick, or hurt.

[JesusOfNazareth]

Well, if, as an emplyoyer, I want to provide my employees with dark chocolate bars and someone's not happy with it because the wanted milk chocolate, then they can buy their own chocolate.

If someone is giving you a discount on something, or a gift, the gracious thing to do is be thankful that it's being provided at all.

Imagining that you receive gifts at Christmas time (or Winter Solstice, if Christmas isn't your thing), do you berate your friends and family for not giving you exactly what you wanted the way you wanted it? Do you demand that they take it back to the store and get you what you want? No. You either live with it, re-gift it to someone, take it back yourself to the store for an exchange, or donate it.

They should be thankful they're getting paid at all? Payment is not a gift.

Well, they should be thankful that someone is willing to pay them for doing a good job.

Again, healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employment contract, it's an enticement that has become "industry standard" for recruiting employees.

[Elemental North]

IF you're not gloating about those decisions that you agree with.

Not saying that anyone should give up on their firmly held beliefs. What you ought to do is lobby your legislators for a law that addresses your greivance in a constitutional manner. But, this time, the socialists lost this one.

America has a powerful Socialist political group? Really? Since when?

Does anyone else hate this particular set of SCOTUS Justices sometimes?

[Neo Rome Republic]

America has a powerful Socialist political group? Really? Since when?

Does anyone else hate this particular set of SCOTUS Justices sometimes?

Yeppers.

[Liriena]

In other words, he doesn't understand politics and ideology.

Why would or should a socialist be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits corporations?
Why would or should a conservative christian be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits LGBT people?

There is no "poor sportsmanship" in criticising a court for doing something that your ideology finds worthy condemnation.

IF you're not gloating about those decisions that you agree with.

Even if you do that.

Not saying that anyone should give up on their firmly held beliefs. What you ought to do is lobby your legislators for a law that addresses your greivance in a constitutional manner. But, this time, the socialists lost this one.

And socialists criticize this one, because it's a stupid decision.

[Elemental North]

They should be thankful they're getting paid at all? Payment is not a gift.

Well, they should be thankful that someone is willing to pay them for doing a good job.

Again, healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employment contract, it's an enticement that has become "industry standard" for recruiting employees.

No, in the United States, according to the newly minted Affordable Care Act, employee healthcare is warranted and mandated, and that wasn't the first bill to do so, it just reaffirmed a 1976 OSHA statute that said that general health care must be provided for ontop of good working conditions. This is not to mention the countless amount of state and local laws that mandate employer provided healthcare benefits.

[Liriena]

Chocolate is not a pharmaceutical product.


The thing is, this "discount" or "gift" is something I receive in exchange for spending hours each day contributing to the increasing wealth of the person who gave me the "discount" or "gift". It's something that it's their duty to provide because my quality of life now depends on them.


Read above and find yourself an analogy that actually works.

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

No.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

Perhaps, but once you provide medical insurance to your employee, what right do you have to pick and choose what medical treatment the employee gets?

[Liriena]

Well, they should be thankful that someone is willing to pay them for doing a good job.

*groan*

[Andarro]

US national debt: $17.5 Trillion
(referring to the principal debt)

US Total debt is $61.5 Trillion
(total debt includes household, business, state and local governments, financial institutions, and the federal government)

Trillion is an abstract number and it would be impossible for the average human to accumulate $1 Trillion or even to count that high in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

At one number per second, it would take you 11, 570,000 days, or about 31,709 years, even at 10 per second you would need 3,170 years, so, you couldn't do it in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

Debt has nothing to do with this.

Debt is not directly related, you are correct...however, I am using the debt as evidence that our politicians are incapable of offering any solutions to any problem.

Which brings me back to my previous posting, where I expressed frustration that people rely on their decisions so much and I again ask why.

[Rio Cana]

Well, they should be thankful that someone is willing to pay them for doing a good job.

Again, healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employment contract, it's an enticement that has become "industry standard" for recruiting employees.

No, in the United States, according to the newly minted Affordable Care Act, employee healthcare is warranted and mandated, and that wasn't the first bill to do so, it just reaffirmed a 1976 OSHA statute that said that general health care must be provided for ontop of good working conditions. This is not to mention the countless amount of state and local laws that mandate employer provided healthcare benefits.

It is not warranted and mandated in US territories.

[JesusOfNazareth]

It's an attitude (poor sportsmanship), it does happen on both sides of the argument and I think it is a form of hypocrisy when a side idolizes the entity of SCOTUS for tough decisions that fall their way yet demonizes them for tough decisions that run contrary.

You know, like all of the Iraq war/War On Terror that was Bush's (43) fault, even after five years of the Obama Presidency, this decision is all the fault of ObamaCare. I mean, if the ACA hadn't squeeked passed Congress, and hadn't been signed into law by the President, and the SCOTUS hadn't allowed the unconstitutional individual mandate to be collected as a constitutional tax or ruled that part of the ACA that was unconstitutional could be separated from the rest without invalidating the entire law (I forget what that clause is called), then this decision wouldn't have been made.

You think it's unconstitutional, but lots of people, SCOTUS justices included, disagree.

Yeah, I have disagreements with SCOTUS, too, or at least some of the Justices.

A part of the ACA was found unconstitutional by SCOTUS, there is a "separation clause" that allows an unconstitutional law to remain in effect with the unconstitutional portion removed, this clause was not included in the ACA language. SCOTUS chose to act as if the clause was in place and in effect.

The point is, when we disagree with the courts, what we need to do is dust ourselves off and return to the fight on other fronts.

[JesusOfNazareth]

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

Knock it off.

Sorry, poor choice of words. I felt the previous poster was intentionally misunderstanding the analogy.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The effects of decision based on the statements by the Supreme Court itself

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ca ... ns-n144526

The Supreme Court is full of shit. Why are they making so many bad rulings and idiotic statements all of a sudden? First they are fucking with Massachusetts state laws and now this.

[The Scientific States]

God dammit, Scotus.

[Gauthier]

The effects of decision based on the statements by the Supreme Court itself

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ca ... ns-n144526

The Supreme Court is full of shit. Why are they making so many bad rulings and idiotic statements all of a sudden? First they are fucking with Massachusetts state laws and now this.

Five old men who miss the glory days where White Anglo-Saxon Protestant males were in charge, women were in the kitchen making sammiches and babies, and minorities kept out of sight.

Just like any Abercrombie & Fitch store.

[JesusOfNazareth]

The analogy is perfect, you're just acting denser than depleted uranium.

No.

Healthcare insurance doesn't have to be part of an employer contract. It's generally a carrot to entice an employee to work for an employer.

Perhaps, but once you provide medical insurance to your employee, what right do you have to pick and choose what medical treatment the employee gets?

If, once I give a beggar money, does the beggar have a right to determine the amount?