Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[Geilinor]

To think that this whole issue could be avoided if we just got a single payer health care system that provided birth control pills under its' covered pharmaceuticals.

Ugh, America.

I know, this could have been avoided. At least it's exposing how little many people know about gynecology.

[Liriena]

Besides, Socialism and State Atheism did wonders for the Soviet Union, right? *points to 40 million mass graves*

Stalinism =/= Socialism

I see an awful lot of unfounded claims. Mind substantiating them?

US national debt: $17.5 Trillion
(referring to the principal debt)

US Total debt is $61.5 Trillion
(total debt includes household, business, state and local governments, financial institutions, and the federal government)

Trillion is an abstract number and it would be impossible for the average human to accumulate $1 Trillion or even to count that high in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

At one number per second, it would take you 11, 570,000 days, or about 31,709 years, even at 10 per second you would need 3,170 years, so, you couldn't do it in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

Nice trivia, dude.

Now, feel free to produce some evidence that the person who made claims about the benefits of birth control pills was a politician, since that was the one unfounded assumption that sparked your rant.

[Lunalia]

No truer words have been spoken.

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

Ehhh. The problem with socialism is that in a true socialist economy there's no motivation to improve yourself because no matter what you do or how hard you work, you always get the same payoff as someone who doesn't work as hard. So I wouldn't agree with America becoming a socialist state, per se, but laws should be set so that everyone at least manages to maintain some minimum quality of living.

[Atlanticatia]

People who complain about the public debt (generally) either:
a) don't understand that debt isn't a bad thing
b) don't realize that we could easily raise trillions more in revenue and still be in the lower end of the OECD as far as revenues as a % of GDP goes

But anyway, what does debt have to do with birth control?

[Geilinor]

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

Ehhh. The problem with socialism is that in a true socialist economy there's no motivation to improve yourself because no matter what you do or how hard you work, you always get the same payoff as someone who doesn't work as hard. So I wouldn't agree with America becoming a socialist state, per se, but laws should be set so that everyone at least manages to maintain some minimum quality of living.

What you described isn't socialism.

[Farnhamia]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

No truer words have been spoken.

Really? You do realize that the Supreme Court justices are not elected and cannot be removed from the bench unless found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, just like the President and a few others, right? It's all well and good to yell "Throw the bums out!" but what are you and Terricon actually doing to make the changes you want? Besides posting here, I mean.

[Mavorpen]

The problem with socialism is that in a true socialist economy there's no motivation to improve yourself because no matter what you do or how hard you work, you always get the same payoff as someone who doesn't work as hard.

Uh, no you don't.

Regardless, this isn't the topic.

[Neo Rome Republic]

No truer words have been spoken.

Really? You do realize that the Supreme Court justices are not elected and cannot be removed from the bench unless found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, just like the President and a few others, right? It's all well and good to yell "Throw the bums out!" but what are you and Terricon actually doing to make the changes you want? Besides posting here, I mean.

Well I will be voting these mid-terms, if you must know.

[Farnhamia]

Really? You do realize that the Supreme Court justices are not elected and cannot be removed from the bench unless found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, just like the President and a few others, right? It's all well and good to yell "Throw the bums out!" but what are you and Terricon actually doing to make the changes you want? Besides posting here, I mean.

Well I will be voting these mid-terms, if you must know.

Good for you.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Well I will be voting these mid-terms, if you must know.

Good for you.

Indeed.

[New Terricon]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

Evidence to support your claim?

• This recent ruling, showing sympathy towards religious factions.
• Our numerous wars or police actions that we have waged in weak, unthreatening countries to better our interests.
• Our Gitmo Bay prisons that lock up and torture many suspected "terrorists"
• America's overall devotion to Social Darwinism.
• Ever heard of the Silent Majority?

Not to mention, I live in America and can see this first hand. Whether it be how I saw my family dissolve under the pretense of religious beliefs, or that I hear on the news every day about a new law that goes in favor of companies while civil liberty laws go undiscussed. I merely want to see my once great nation be brought into a better era without the need for a "greater force" have a hand in lawmaking.

[Farnhamia]

Evidence to support your claim?

• This recent ruling, showing sympathy towards religious factions.
• Our numerous wars or police actions that we have waged in weak, unthreatening countries to better our interests.
• Our Gitmo Bay prisons that lock up and torture many suspected "terrorists"
• America's overall devotion to Social Darwinism.
• Ever heard of the Silent Majority?

Not to mention, I live in America and can see this first hand. Whether it be how I saw my family dissolve under the pretense of religious beliefs, or that I hear on the news every day about a new law that goes in favor of companies while civil liberty laws go undiscussed. I merely want to see my once great nation be brought into a better era without the need for a "greater force" have a hand in lawmaking.

Well, the nature of the US government really isn't the topic here. If you feel this strongly I hope you're working to see the changes you want happen.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Evidence to support your claim?

• This recent ruling, showing sympathy towards religious factions.
• Our numerous wars or police actions that we have waged in weak, unthreatening countries to better our interests.
• Our Gitmo Bay prisons that lock up and torture many suspected "terrorists"
• America's overall devotion to Social Darwinism.
• Ever heard of the Silent Majority?

Not to mention, I live in America and can see this first hand. Whether it be how I saw my family dissolve under the pretense of religious beliefs, or that I hear on the news every day about a new law that goes in favor of companies while civil liberty laws go undiscussed. I merely want to see my once great nation be brought into a better era without the need for a "greater force" have a hand in lawmaking.

Not to mention the growing income inequality and poverty rate.

[JesusOfNazareth]

Honestly, I don't know if you, personally, are a party to the hypocrisy that Saimania described, but more often than not IT SEEMS that the more left-leaning folks seek remedy from the courts of law after an election or such doesn't go their way and they are all for judicial review if it means getting their way.

So, he's not saying that the opinions leftists on what's right and wrong change with the wind, just that people who love it when a decision goes their way and hate it when it doesn't are poor sports.

its not a sport

and both sides do it. its not necessarily hypocritical.

It's an attitude (poor sportsmanship), it does happen on both sides of the argument and I think it is a form of hypocrisy when a side idolizes the entity of SCOTUS for tough decisions that fall their way yet demonizes them for tough decisions that run contrary.

You know, like all of the Iraq war/War On Terror that was Bush's (43) fault, even after five years of the Obama Presidency, this decision is all the fault of ObamaCare. I mean, if the ACA hadn't squeeked passed Congress, and hadn't been signed into law by the President, and the SCOTUS hadn't allowed the unconstitutional individual mandate to be collected as a constitutional tax or ruled that part of the ACA that was unconstitutional could be separated from the rest without invalidating the entire law (I forget what that clause is called), then this decision wouldn't have been made.

[Geilinor]

its not a sport

and both sides do it. its not necessarily hypocritical.

It's an attitude (poor sportsmanship), it does happen on both sides of the argument and I think it is a form of hypocrisy when a side idolizes the entity of SCOTUS for tough decisions that fall their way yet demonizes them for tough decisions that run contrary.

You know, like all of the Iraq war/War On Terror that was Bush's (43) fault, even after five years of the Obama Presidency, this decision is all the fault of ObamaCare. I mean, if the ACA hadn't squeeked passed Congress, and hadn't been signed into law by the President, and the SCOTUS hadn't allowed the unconstitutional individual mandate to be collected as a constitutional tax or ruled that part of the ACA that was unconstitutional could be separated from the rest without invalidating the entire law (I forget what that clause is called), then this decision wouldn't have been made.

You think it's unconstitutional, but lots of people, SCOTUS justices included, disagree.

[Trollzilla]

Evidence to support your claim?

• This recent ruling, showing sympathy towards religious factions.
• Our numerous wars or police actions that we have waged in weak, unthreatening countries to better our interests.
• Our Gitmo Bay prisons that lock up and torture many suspected "terrorists"
• America's overall devotion to Social Darwinism.
• Ever heard of the Silent Majority?

Not to mention, I live in America and can see this first hand. Whether it be how I saw my family dissolve under the pretense of religious beliefs, or that I hear on the news every day about a new law that goes in favor of companies while civil liberty laws go undiscussed. I merely want to see my once great nation be brought into a better era without the need for a "greater force" have a hand in lawmaking.

If you want Americans behind you, you have to tell them that God agrees with you even if you don't believe in God, in which case it is prudent to lie about believing in God. Especially if you want to get elected.

[Farnhamia]

It's an attitude (poor sportsmanship), it does happen on both sides of the argument and I think it is a form of hypocrisy when a side idolizes the entity of SCOTUS for tough decisions that fall their way yet demonizes them for tough decisions that run contrary.

You know, like all of the Iraq war/War On Terror that was Bush's (43) fault, even after five years of the Obama Presidency, this decision is all the fault of ObamaCare. I mean, if the ACA hadn't squeeked passed Congress, and hadn't been signed into law by the President, and the SCOTUS hadn't allowed the unconstitutional individual mandate to be collected as a constitutional tax or ruled that part of the ACA that was unconstitutional could be separated from the rest without invalidating the entire law (I forget what that clause is called), then this decision wouldn't have been made.

You think it's unconstitutional, but lots of people, SCOTUS justices included, disagree.

Not enough justices, sadly, but that's how the system works. I forget, when did we lose our right to bitch and moan about something we don't like? I'm sure that would have been in the news.

[Geilinor]

You think it's unconstitutional, but lots of people, SCOTUS justices included, disagree.

Not enough justices, sadly, but that's how the system works. I forget, when did we lose our right to bitch and moan about something we don't like? I'm sure that would have been in the news.

Complain about the Affordable Care Act all you want, but "unconstitutional" isn't really a strong or valid argument against the individual mandate.

[Atlanticatia]

If you want Americans behind you, you have to tell them that God agrees with you even if you don't believe in God, in which case it is prudent to lie about believing in God. Especially if you want to get elected.

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

[Aravea]

• This recent ruling, showing sympathy towards religious factions.
• Our numerous wars or police actions that we have waged in weak, unthreatening countries to better our interests.
• Our Gitmo Bay prisons that lock up and torture many suspected "terrorists"
• America's overall devotion to Social Darwinism.
• Ever heard of the Silent Majority?

Not to mention, I live in America and can see this first hand. Whether it be how I saw my family dissolve under the pretense of religious beliefs, or that I hear on the news every day about a new law that goes in favor of companies while civil liberty laws go undiscussed. I merely want to see my once great nation be brought into a better era without the need for a "greater force" have a hand in lawmaking.

Utter bullshit about the religious factions and social darwinism aside, I do agree with you on the police actions and the curtailing of civil liberties. Besides we're derailing the topic with personal experiences and "percieved" actions of the US government.

[Gauthier]

If you want Americans behind you, you have to tell them that God agrees with you even if you don't believe in God, in which case it is prudent to lie about believing in God. Especially if you want to get elected.

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

The Republican Party is heavily Protestant anyways, apart from Paul Ryan who will publically renounce his love of Catholicism just like he publically renounced his love of Ayn Rand.

[Farnhamia]

Not enough justices, sadly, but that's how the system works. I forget, when did we lose our right to bitch and moan about something we don't like? I'm sure that would have been in the news.

Complain about the Affordable Care Act all you want, but "unconstitutional" isn't really a strong or valid argument against the individual mandate.

I wasn't saying it was, just using your handy post to comment on Jesus' shock at finding that people on the left seem to feel they can speak their minds on things they don't like.

[Neo Rome Republic]

If you want Americans behind you, you have to tell them that God agrees with you even if you don't believe in God, in which case it is prudent to lie about believing in God. Especially if you want to get elected.

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

They'll just say he's not a "True Christian".

[Aravea]

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

They'll just say he's not a "True Christian".

No they'll claim he's a commie sympathizer.

[Farnhamia]

I wonder if that will change, since the Pope essentially condemned the Republican Party's whole economic platform.

They'll just say he's not a "True Christian".

The last guy was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so, you know ...