Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[Neo Rome Republic]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

No truer words have been spoken.

[Lunalia]

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

Mansplaining gynecology. Awesome.

Something tells me he's of the opinion that all women need to be caretakers of their Masculine Master Husbands and do no work themselves and simply exist for their husbands' pleasure. Because that's the only state of "well being" I can think of that this pain would allow...

[Geilinor]

Bet that's not what they're actually deciding, though.

no

its more "if corporations are people too, can they have a religious conscience that overrules some details of federal law?"

or "if you own a corporation yourself can your religious beliefs count as the beliefs of the corporation?"

This^. They've already answered "yes" to Trolzilla's question, but not when it comes to corporations and the owner's religion.

[Liriena]

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years.

People lived without antibiotics for thousands of years.

Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

I take it you are not a woman?

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

It should be enjoyable now.

[Geilinor]

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

Would you say painkillers aren't required for well-being and personal health?

[Aravea]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

No truer words have been spoken.

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

[Neo Rome Republic]

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years.

People lived without antibiotics for thousands of years.

Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

I take it you are not a woman?

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

It should be enjoyable now.

Doesn't seem anyone can change his mind, no matter what explanation you guys give him.

[JesusOfNazareth]

IMNTBHO

Geesh, talk about clunky acronyms.

your type of argument is the most stupid misdirection that has consistently been put forth by a lot posters in this matter.

Thank you.

The SCOTUS ruling, in no way, imposed a religious value on anyone and did not prohibit any woman from legally seeking and obtaining the contested birth-contol/abortive medications. They did not say that the woman couldn't opt out of employer provided healthcare insurance and pay Obamacare premiums. All SCOTUS ruled was a person or closely held corporation with religious values did not have to violate thier closely held religious beliefs and pay for (currently four) medications that could result in a fertilized and implanted egg being aborted.

In other words, SCOTUS ruled that the heads of closely held corporations have the power to pick and choose what medical treatment their employees may receive through the medical insurance they provide, depending on their religious values, rather than the employees'.

Thanks for confirming what I previously asserted.

Well, if, as an emplyoyer, I want to provide my employees with dark chocolate bars and someone's not happy with it because the wanted milk chocolate, then they can buy their own chocolate.

If someone is giving you a discount on something, or a gift, the gracious thing to do is be thankful that it's being provided at all.

Imagining that you receive gifts at Christmas time (or Winter Solstice, if Christmas isn't your thing), do you berate your friends and family for not giving you exactly what you wanted the way you wanted it? Do you demand that they take it back to the store and get you what you want? No. You either live with it, re-gift it to someone, take it back yourself to the store for an exchange, or donate it.

[The Black Forrest]

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years.

The fact they haven't had the pill for thousands of years is irrelevant. It's here now.

They have been using medicine and "home remedies" since they could record such things.

Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

You might want to talk to a woman about it.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

[Neo Rome Republic]

No truer words have been spoken.

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'm not going to talk to you, if you're just going to dictate my position for me.

[Aravea]

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'm not going to talk to you, if you're just going to dictate my position for me.

I wasn't talking to you NRR, I was talking to the original poster.

[Lunalia]

You might want to talk to a woman about it.

How ironic, he is talking to a woman about it.... and completely dismisses her thoughts on the matter.

[Mavorpen]

No truer words have been spoken.

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'd argue that any government in the 21st century should be "atheist at its core". But that's a different topic and isn't at all what he said.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I'm not going to talk to you, if you're just going to dictate my position for me.

I wasn't talking to you NRR, I was talking to the original poster.

Oh, nevermind then.

[Aravea]

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'd argue that any government in the 21st century should be "atheist at its core". But that's a different topic and isn't at all what he said.

Whatever that's been debated enough so moving on....

[Gauthier]

You might want to talk to a woman about it.

How ironic, he is talking to a woman about it.... and completely dismisses her thoughts on the matter.

Anyone else think "Republican Obstetrician"?

[Liriena]

Geesh, talk about clunky acronyms.


Thank you.


In other words, SCOTUS ruled that the heads of closely held corporations have the power to pick and choose what medical treatment their employees may receive through the medical insurance they provide, depending on their religious values, rather than the employees'.

Thanks for confirming what I previously asserted.

Well, if, as an emplyoyer, I want to provide my employees with dark chocolate bars and someone's not happy with it because the wanted milk chocolate, then they can buy their own chocolate.

Chocolate is not a pharmaceutical product.

If someone is giving you a discount on something, or a gift, the gracious thing to do is be thankful that it's being provided at all.

The thing is, this "discount" or "gift" is something I receive in exchange for spending hours each day contributing to the increasing wealth of the person who gave me the "discount" or "gift". It's something that it's their duty to provide because my quality of life now depends on them.

Imagining that you receive gifts at Christmas time (or Winter Solstice, if Christmas isn't your thing), do you berate your friends and family for not giving you exactly what you wanted the way you wanted it? Do you demand that they take it back to the store and get you what you want? No. You either live with it, re-gift it to someone, take it back yourself to the store for an exchange, or donate it.

Read above and find yourself an analogy that actually works.

[Liriena]

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'm all for worker's rights and secularism so... pretty much.

[Geilinor]

Geesh, talk about clunky acronyms.


Thank you.


In other words, SCOTUS ruled that the heads of closely held corporations have the power to pick and choose what medical treatment their employees may receive through the medical insurance they provide, depending on their religious values, rather than the employees'.

Thanks for confirming what I previously asserted.

Well, if, as an emplyoyer, I want to provide my employees with dark chocolate bars and someone's not happy with it because the wanted milk chocolate, then they can buy their own chocolate.

If someone is giving you a discount on something, or a gift, the gracious thing to do is be thankful that it's being provided at all.

Imagining that you receive gifts at Christmas time (or Winter Solstice, if Christmas isn't your thing), do you berate your friends and family for not giving you exactly what you wanted the way you wanted it? Do you demand that they take it back to the store and get you what you want? No. You either live with it, re-gift it to someone, take it back yourself to the store for an exchange, or donate it.

They should be thankful they're getting paid at all? Payment is not a gift.

[Andarro]

Who was the 'genius' that said birth control pills can prevent heart disease? Were they a doctor or a politician?

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I would wager money that it was a politician. I do wish that people would stop investing so much trust with the snot nosed spoiled brat narcissistic ignoramuses that our politicians have become. They are complete failures ladies and gentlemen, they suck. Here we are in a country that has more accumulated debt then all the debt of the whole planet from the bronze age till now combined.

I see an awful lot of unfounded claims. Mind substantiating them?

US national debt: $17.5 Trillion
(referring to the principal debt)

US Total debt is $61.5 Trillion
(total debt includes household, business, state and local governments, financial institutions, and the federal government)

Trillion is an abstract number and it would be impossible for the average human to accumulate $1 Trillion or even to count that high in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

At one number per second, it would take you 11, 570,000 days, or about 31,709 years, even at 10 per second you would need 3,170 years, so, you couldn't do it in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

[Atlanticatia]

To think that this whole issue could be avoided if we just got a single payer health care system that provided birth control pills under its' covered pharmaceuticals.

Ugh, America.

[Untaroicht]

So in essence America should become a socialist state with atheism at its core?

I'm all for worker's rights and secularism so... pretty much.

Secularism means "Freedom OF Religion" Just as much, if not more, as it means "Freedom FROM Religion", and this country is capitalist to the core.

Besides, Socialism and State Atheism did wonders for the Soviet Union, right? *points to 40 million mass graves*

[Geilinor]

I see an awful lot of unfounded claims. Mind substantiating them?

US national debt: $17.5 Trillion
(referring to the principal debt)

US Total debt is $61.5 Trillion
(total debt includes household, business, state and local governments, financial institutions, and the federal government)

Trillion is an abstract number and it would be impossible for the average human to accumulate $1 Trillion or even to count that high in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

At one number per second, it would take you 11, 570,000 days, or about 31,709 years, even at 10 per second you would need 3,170 years, so, you couldn't do it in one lifetime without the aid of a computer.

Debt has nothing to do with this.

[Aravea]

I'm all for worker's rights and secularism so... pretty much.

Secularism means "Freedom OF Religion" Just as much, if not more, as it means "Freedom FROM Religion", and this country is capitalist to the core.

Besides, Socialism and State Atheism did wonders for the Soviet Union, right? *points to 40 million mass graves*

Good Lord here we go again....

[Mavorpen]

I'm all for worker's rights and secularism so... pretty much.

Secularism means "Freedom OF Religion" Just as much, if not more, as it means "Freedom FROM Religion", and this country is capitalist to the core.

Besides, SocialismStalinism and State Atheism a cult of personality built around Joseph Stalin did wonders for the Soviet Union, right? *points to 40 million mass graves*

Fixed.