Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[The Black Forrest]

The only flaw in your cost argument is that insurance policies already cover contraception. This case isn't about inventing a new kind of insurance policy, it's about making employers pay for existing ones.

I never claimed that there would be a "new insurance policy invented", I claimed that making companies upgrade their policies would end up with the companies paying more. Which, again, is basic logic.

And again. How much?

And again. This case was not about costs.

[Farnhamia]

The only flaw in your cost argument is that insurance policies already cover contraception. This case isn't about inventing a new kind of insurance policy, it's about making employers pay for existing ones.

I never claimed that there would be a "new insurance policy invented", I claimed that making companies upgrade their policies would end up with the companies paying more. Which, again, is basic logic.

I'm pretty sure that the cost of employee insurance policies is deductible from the company's taxes.

[The Black Forrest]

Wow. Again. Ignorance is not something to be proud.

Wow. Again. Calling people ignorant and not backing it up with evidence of why you think so is not something to be proud.

Ok Kiddo. What would you like "backed up"

Also, the best way to not hear the word ignorant is to stop making ignorant statements.

[Liriena]

You didn't answer the question.

My answer to the question is that people having a lot of kids is one of the reasons why they are poor to begin with, no matter how many contraceptives are provided to these people, some will continue to make detrimental decisions because of "religion" or because they're irresponsible. The government ought to be able to restrict them from costing the taxpayers so much.

In other words, a huge group of people who need a certain medical treatment should not be provided said treatment because, in some cases, the treatment will not completely prevent them from having children and putting strain on their finances. So, instead of betting on birth control, we just give up entirely and let them fuck without protection like rabbits...

...okay, maybe it's my anxiety over finals and the unholy amount of broccoli I just consumed, but that makes no sense.

[Farnhamia]

My answer to the question is that people having a lot of kids is one of the reasons why they are poor to begin with, no matter how many contraceptives are provided to these people, some will continue to make detrimental decisions because of "religion" or because they're irresponsible. The government ought to be able to restrict them from costing the taxpayers so much.

In other words, a huge group of people who need a certain medical treatment should not be provided said treatment because, in some cases, the treatment will not completely prevent them from having children and putting strain on their finances. So, instead of betting on birth control, we just give up entirely and let them fuck without protection like rabbits...

...okay, maybe it's my anxiety over finals and the unholy amount of broccoli I just consumed, but that makes no sense.

How much broccoli?

[Aravea]

Today with this and the right to work ruling plus the miracle cross... It looks like pigs have flown and Zombie Hitler danced with Joseph Stalin at the disco...

[JesusOfNazareth]

I've noticed that it is perfectly fine if SCOTUS rules in favor of something conservatives don't like such as the individual mandate of Obamacare being upheld, but if conservatives get a ruling they like such as in the Hobby Lobby case, people will act as if it is a great injustice.

I love it when some conservatives try to make it sound as if opposing something that runs counter to our ideology, while supporting something that is within our principles, is somehow a double standard.

It's not. Find yourself some better malarky for next time.

Honestly, I don't know if you, personally, are a party to the hypocrisy that Saimania described, but more often than not IT SEEMS that the more left-leaning folks seek remedy from the courts of law after an election or such doesn't go their way and they are all for judicial review if it means getting their way.

So, he's not saying that the opinions leftists on what's right and wrong change with the wind, just that people who love it when a decision goes their way and hate it when it doesn't are poor sports.

[Myrensis]

It is now 4:30 am Pacific time and 7:30 am Eastern Time in the United States. In just a few hours the Supreme Court of the United States is expected to issue what many consider to be the most important ruling of 2014 for the American people.

The nine justice will decide whether or not religious freedom may be restricted in the name of women's absolute right to contraception and abortion and to force other people to pay for it.

Uh, what case are you talking about? Because I'm only tracking the Hobby Lobby one, which is about self-righteous religious folk demanding their 'religious freedom' to use benefits packages as a means of bludgeoning their employees into obeying their religious morals regardless of the employees own religious beliefs or lack thereof.

.... what about the religious freedom of the employees of hobby lobby?

This is America, where the only important religious freedom is the freedom to use your religion to harass, degrade, and otherwise make life difficult for anyone who doesn't share it.

[The Black Forrest]

Tangent:

It seems Hobby Lobby's Retirement plan invests in contraception manufacturers.

Wonder how quickly they will correct that?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... rug-makers

[Lunalia]

Wow. Again. Ignorance is not something to be proud.

Wow. Again. Calling people ignorant and not backing it up with evidence of why you think so is not something to be proud.

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

[Aravea]

Tangent:

It seems Hobby Lobby's Retirement plan invests in contraception manufacturers.

Wonder how quickly they will correct that?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... rug-makers

Seems kind of hypocritical if you ask me...

[Gauthier]

Tangent:

It seems Hobby Lobby's Retirement plan invests in contraception manufacturers.

Wonder how quickly they will correct that?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... rug-makers

They're only providing contraception to people too old to get pregnant obviously.

[Liriena]

In other words, a huge group of people who need a certain medical treatment should not be provided said treatment because, in some cases, the treatment will not completely prevent them from having children and putting strain on their finances. So, instead of betting on birth control, we just give up entirely and let them fuck without protection like rabbits...

...okay, maybe it's my anxiety over finals and the unholy amount of broccoli I just consumed, but that makes no sense.

How much broccoli?

400 grams of it. Don't judge me.

[Aravea]

How much broccoli?

400 grams of it. Don't judge me.

400 GRAMs wow That's dedication right there my friend.

[Ashmoria]

I love it when some conservatives try to make it sound as if opposing something that runs counter to our ideology, while supporting something that is within our principles, is somehow a double standard.

It's not. Find yourself some better malarky for next time.

Honestly, I don't know if you, personally, are a party to the hypocrisy that Saimania described, but more often than not IT SEEMS that the more left-leaning folks seek remedy from the courts of law after an election or such doesn't go their way and they are all for judicial review if it means getting their way.

So, he's not saying that the opinions leftists on what's right and wrong change with the wind, just that people who love it when a decision goes their way and hate it when it doesn't are poor sports.

its not a sport

and both sides do it. its not necessarily hypocritical.

[The Serbian Empire]

Today with this and the right to work ruling plus the miracle cross... It looks like pigs have flown and Zombie Hitler danced with Joseph Stalin at the disco...

The pigs have flown, but only by help of a catapult.

[Aravea]

Today with this and the right to work ruling plus the miracle cross... It looks like pigs have flown and Zombie Hitler danced with Joseph Stalin at the disco...

The pigs have flown, but only by help of a catapult.

Still counts... I guess.

[Doitsu-san]

Wow. Again. Calling people ignorant and not backing it up with evidence of why you think so is not something to be proud.

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

[Ashmoria]

Wow. Again. Calling people ignorant and not backing it up with evidence of why you think so is not something to be proud.

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

and sometimes you just don't have the $60. insurance coverage means that that will never be a problem.

[New Terricon]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

[Lunalia]

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

I'm sorry, being unable to work due to pain rendering me immobile for one quarter of a working month is a tolerable state?

Try doing that yourself, see how far that gets you.

[Aravea]

The government of America is corrupted, religious and immoral! That is why this ruling was passed, that is why America has passed many other terrible things. America is not a great country anymore, its leaders have eroded the great name of the United States. Maybe after we in America can throw out our current government like India, we can be great once more! For now though, we will continue to worsen until America is driven to a primitive state in the name of religious preservation and unnecessary greed.

Evidence to support your claim?

[Liriena]

So, he's not saying that the opinions leftists on what's right and wrong change with the wind, just that people who love it when a decision goes their way and hate it when it doesn't are poor sports.

In other words, he doesn't understand politics and ideology.

Why would or should a socialist be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits corporations?
Why would or should a conservative christian be silently okay with a court ruling that benefits LGBT people?

There is no "poor sportsmanship" in criticising a court for doing something that your ideology finds worthy condemnation.

[Gauthier]

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

Mansplaining gynecology. Awesome.

[Atlanticatia]

Birth control should just be covered by a single payer health system with no charge to the user.

But, anyway..

Why shouldn't insurance cover birth control pills?

I'd much rather pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and have birth control pills covered in insurance, than have to pay a flat rate for insurance every month, and also have to pay $60 a month for birth control pills.

Without them, I literally spend one week every month lying on the floor in pain. I am unable to work, or even really function during that time. In fact, if the pain hits when I'm not in bed, I'm stuck on the floor until someone comes to help me move, and I don't live with my parents anymore, so that means I'd be waiting a while. That's... definitely a major effect on well being. It's not "just" pain and annoyance. It feels like someone's taking a dull knife and stabbing you in the gut repeatedly, and pain meds do not make the pain go away. You don't have any right to say it isn't a major effect on well being, because it is, and you've apparently never experienced it yourself.

Women have been living without period medication and birth control pills for thousands of years. Does having period pain relief make life easier? Yes. Is it necessary for your well being and personal health? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I'm leaving for lunch. Auf Wiedersehen and "enjoy" the debate...

I'm not even female but I feel like males shouldn't try to pass laws regarding women's health. I'll never know the agony that is the menstrual cycle.

Although, isn't that a bit like saying: "People were becoming paralyzed from polio for thousands of years! Why should we bother using the polio vaccine?"

Men get to go through the whole reproductive process with no issues. Women have to have a period every month AND go through childbirth. We have no right to complain about paying for birth control, etc! I'll gladly pay a slightly higher insurance premium as compensation for the fact that I never have to give birth.