Biggest US Supreme Court ruling of the year

[The Scientific States]

It's not really the side of life. They're allowing companies to refuse birth control in health insurance plans for employees. That's not the side of life.

No, it is on the side of life. But we can have that debate later.

I'm glad the Supreme Court has been being more proactive in protecting religious freedoms.

This isn't religious freedom either. This is allowing companies to shove their religion down their employees throats.

[Murkwood]

No, it is on the side of life. But we can have that debate later.

I'm glad the Supreme Court has been being more proactive in protecting religious freedoms.

This isn't religious freedom either. This is allowing companies to shove their religion down their employees throats.

What? No. If they want to, the employees can still buy birth control. The company's religious views differ, so they don't want to pay for something they fundamentally agree with.

[The Scientific States]

This isn't religious freedom either. This is allowing companies to shove their religion down their employees throats.

What? No. If they want to, the employees can still buy birth control. The company's religious views differ, so they don't want to pay for something they fundamentally agree with.

And if they don't want to, they don't have to provide birth control. If a employer doesn't agree with birth control, that's fine, but they have no right to force their beliefs on their employees.

[Murkwood]

What? No. If they want to, the employees can still buy birth control. The company's religious views differ, so they don't want to pay for something they fundamentally agree with.

And if they don't want to, they don't have to provide birth control. If a employer doesn't agree with birth control, that's fine, but they have no right to force their beliefs on their employees.

Under the HHS mandate, they have to pay for it, until this ruling.

[Ashmoria]

This isn't religious freedom either. This is allowing companies to shove their religion down their employees throats.

What? No. If they want to, the employees can still buy birth control. The company's religious views differ, so they don't want to pay for something they fundamentally agree with.

insurance has nothing to do with religion.

[The Scientific States]

And if they don't want to, they don't have to provide birth control. If a employer doesn't agree with birth control, that's fine, but they have no right to force their beliefs on their employees.

Under the HHS mandate, they have to pay for it, until this ruling.

I'm aware that the employers had to pay for it...

[Murkwood]

Under the HHS mandate, they have to pay for it, until this ruling.

I'm aware that the employers had to pay for it...

So what was your point?

[The Scientific States]

I'm aware that the employers had to pay for it...

So what was your point?

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

[Murkwood]

So what was your point?

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

[Lenciland]

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

Since when do corporations have rights.

[Ashmoria]

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

no religion has insurance theology.

[The Scientific States]

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

If they have religious objections to it, that's fine. Nobody is forcing them to use birth control.

[Murkwood]

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

If they have religious objections to it, that's fine. Nobody is forcing them to use birth control.

They don't want their money to go to what they strongly object to.

[Lenciland]

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

no religion has insurance theology.

Mine does.

[Lenciland]

If they have religious objections to it, that's fine. Nobody is forcing them to use birth control.

They don't want their money to go to what they strongly object to.

They're a corporation, they don't have rights, their personal views don't belong in their business.

[MERIZoC]

That the employers should continue to have to pay for it...

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

The point is that religious objections aren't legitimate when you're forcing them on other people.

[Murkwood]

They don't want their money to go to what they strongly object to.

They're a corporation, they don't have rights, their personal views don't belong in their business.

Corporations have rights. That's what this case was about.

[The Scientific States]

If they have religious objections to it, that's fine. Nobody is forcing them to use birth control.

They don't want their money to go to what they strongly object to.

So, if a employer objects to medicine in a health insurance policy because of their religion, by your logic, they should be able to refuse that as well. Religion has no place in a insurance policy.

[Murkwood]

But what if those employers have legitimate religious objections to it? If they don't buy it, it's not like their employees can't get it.

The point is that religious objections aren't legitimate when you're forcing them on other people.

They aren't forcing people not to take birth control. They just aren't covering it.

[Lenciland]

They're a corporation, they don't have rights, their personal views don't belong in their business.

Corporations have rights. That's what this case was about.

So I can expect to see the Michelin Man walking around holding an assault rifle and reading the Torah? Corporations are not people, they don't have human rights. Can corporations form militias?

[Murkwood]

Corporations have rights. That's what this case was about.

So I can expect to see the Michelin Man walking around holding an assault rifle and reading the Torah? Corporations are not people, they don't have human rights. Can corporations form militias?

They don't have every right afforded to people, but they have some, just like organizations.

[Caninope]

They don't want their money to go to what they strongly object to.

They're a corporation, they don't have rights, their personal views don't belong in their business.

Incorrect- corporate bodies do have rights.

[Farnhamia]

Corporations have rights. That's what this case was about.

So I can expect to see the Michelin Man walking around holding an assault rifle and reading the Torah? Corporations are not people, they don't have human rights. Can corporations form militias?

Militias? Well ...

[Lenciland]

So I can expect to see the Michelin Man walking around holding an assault rifle and reading the Torah? Corporations are not people, they don't have human rights. Can corporations form militias?

They don't have every right afforded to people, but they have some, just like organizations.

So they can deny chemotherapy, that should be covered by insurance because they say it violates their religion? A corporation cannot have a religion because it is made up of different people.

[Ashmoria]

The point is that religious objections aren't legitimate when you're forcing them on other people.

They aren't forcing people not to take birth control. They just aren't covering it.

what is the difference between paying for insurance that might provide birth control and pay out a paycheck that might be used for birth control?