Water Service Cut Off To Thousands In Detroit

[Norstal]

Or those who had common sense to leave . Also Detroit could have recovered . But Detroit is what happens when u.nions get too much power .

Unions? No...just no.

First the poor was blamed. Then Democrats were blamed. Now unions are blamed.

Notice how Rich People, Republicans, etc. are never blamed.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Funny, I've done the same (actually, I'm living in Section 8 housing now), and yet I've found that people are poor for a variety of reasons.

True, of course keep in mind, that addicts have a propensity to lie or at least hide the truth. So, I mean, depends on how well you really no your neighbors I would think.

Better than in any neighborhood I've lived in. Point is, about half work, the other half are on disability.

[Cyyro]

Besides that, they keep electing Democrats and liberals for government jobs in Detroit. You're going to have the spend-spend-spend mania as long as you keep electing Dems and libs. It's just how it is.

They haven't had a Republican mayor for...quite a while. Years. YEARS.

Doesn't matter. They were Democrats in the worst way possible (making it nearly impossible to start a new business there due to endless regulations), but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there). They were incompetent and corrupt on a bipartisan level.

Don't even mention Kilpatrick.

[Dracoria]

Besides that, they keep electing Democrats and liberals for government jobs in Detroit. You're going to have the spend-spend-spend mania as long as you keep electing Dems and libs. It's just how it is.

They haven't had a Republican mayor for...quite a while. Years. YEARS.

Doesn't matter. They were Democrats in the worst way possible (making it nearly impossible to start a new business there due to endless regulations), but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there). They were incompetent and corrupt on a bipartisan level.

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

[Geilinor]

Or those who had common sense to leave . Also Detroit could have recovered . But Detroit is what happens when u.nions get too much power .

Yeah...Detroit turned into Soviet Russia...

Unions are evil...teacher's unions protect every idiot who belongs on them....IMHO...

The USSR wasn't run by workers' unions.

[Llamalandia]

Besides that, they keep electing Democrats and liberals for government jobs in Detroit. You're going to have the spend-spend-spend mania as long as you keep electing Dems and libs. It's just how it is.

They haven't had a Republican mayor for...quite a while. Years. YEARS.

Spending isn't the problem for Detroit. People not being able to pay taxes is. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130221/METRO01/302210375

Oh ok well then the city of Detroit should just give everyone a job then I guess, that will solve everything.

[Geilinor]

Spending isn't the problem for Detroit. People not being able to pay taxes is. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130221/METRO01/302210375

Oh ok well then the city of Detroit should just give everyone a job then I guess, that will solve everything.

It isn't that simple.

[Norstal]

Doesn't matter. They were Democrats in the worst way possible (making it nearly impossible to start a new business there due to endless regulations), but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there). They were incompetent and corrupt on a bipartisan level.

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

Oh my fucking god. No. Jesus fucking christ. There are conservative Democrats. There are liberal Republicans. Not all Republicans and not all Democrats are the same.

Jesus fucking dog eating shit fuck, how is this so hard to understand.

[Dracoria]

Unions? No...just no.

First the poor was blamed. Then Democrats were blamed. Now unions are blamed.

Notice how Rich People, Republicans, etc. are never blamed.

That's because Detroit voted the Republicans out and then proceeded to vote away the wealthy. Can't really blame them as much when they're not there.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Doesn't matter. They were Democrats in the worst way possible (making it nearly impossible to start a new business there due to endless regulations), but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there). They were incompetent and corrupt on a bipartisan level.

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

Yeah, the unions did nothing but try to get the best deal possible for their members. It was the industry's inability to adapt that caused their downfall. You can say that unions made it impossible to compete with Japan, but that entirely ignores the fact that Japan has powerful unions.

[Llamalandia]

True, of course keep in mind, that addicts have a propensity to lie or at least hide the truth. So, I mean, depends on how well you really no your neighbors I would think.

Better than in any neighborhood I've lived in. Point is, about half work, the other half are on disability.

Ah yes meant to mention disability as well, that is a major source of poverty, and we should try to help those truly unable to work. That said, it be preferable to see private enterprise adn charity step up and help the truly needy and deserving poor.

[Cyyro]

Spending isn't the problem for Detroit. People not being able to pay taxes is. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130221/METRO01/302210375

Oh ok well then the city of Detroit should just give everyone a job then I guess, that will solve everything.

It's funny, because you can pull this out of the article:

"Why pay taxes?" asked Fred Phillips, who owes more than $2,600 on his home on an east-side block where five owners paid 2011 taxes. "Why should I send them taxes when they aren't supplying services? It is sickening. … Every time I see the tax bill come, I think about the times we called and nobody came."

His point is so flawed it's not even funny.

[The Serbian Empire]

Unions? No...just no.

First the poor was blamed. Then Democrats were blamed. Now unions are blamed.

Notice how Rich People, Republicans, etc. are never blamed.

It's not rich people as a whole, but a particular category of them which is the real estate developer.

[Dracoria]

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

Oh my fucking god. No. Jesus fucking christ. There are conservative Democrats. There are liberal Republicans. Not all Republicans and not all Democrats are the same.

Jesus fucking dog eating shit fuck, how is this so hard to understand.

but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there).

[Geilinor]

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

Yeah, the unions did nothing but try to get the best deal possible for their members. It was the industry's inability to adapt that caused their downfall. You can say that unions made it impossible to compete with Japan, but that entirely ignores the fact that Japan has powerful unions.

Germany also has powerful unions and its auto industry is doing very well.

[Master Shake]

Yeah the rich create jobs...without rich people all that is left is civic jobs and minor commercial service jobs...

[Estrain (Ancient)]

First the poor was blamed. Then Democrats were blamed. Now unions are blamed.

Notice how Rich People, Republicans, etc. are never blamed.

That's because Detroit voted the Republicans out and then proceeded to vote away the wealthy. Can't really blame them as much when they're not there.

Again: because why would they vote for a party that regularly vilify's them? Why would welfare recipients vote for people who rail against and blame social ills on people on welfare? Why would African Americans vote for Republicans when they regularly use racially-coded language?

[Geilinor]

Yeah the rich create jobs...without rich people all that is left is civic jobs and minor commercial service jobs...

The rich left long ago, because the suburbs offered a better quality of life.

[Llamalandia]

Bending over backwards for a powerful industry is hardly just something Republicans do. Dems love their pet industries too, and in Detroit the auto industry was their pet as much as the Republicans'. Maybe more due to the powerful unions involved.

Yeah, the unions did nothing but try to get the best deal possible for their members. It was the industry's inability to adapt that caused their downfall. You can say that unions made it impossible to compete with Japan, but that entirely ignores the fact that Japan has powerful unions.

Yes, but as I pointed out unions in Japan work differently than they do in America. It's largely apples and oranges here. In japan, unions and just the culture itself fosters a sense of solidarity between workers adn the management/corporation. Not so much here in America, where the Union and Corporations are seen as opposing negotiators, concerned only with their own narrow and exclusive self interest.

[The Serbian Empire]

Doesn't matter. They were Democrats in the worst way possible (making it nearly impossible to start a new business there due to endless regulations), but also acted like Republicans in the worst way possible (giving the auto industry everything that it needed, even to the extent of tearing down housing for poor people so that they could build there). They were incompetent and corrupt on a bipartisan level.

Don't even mention Kilpatrick.

Coleman Young was even worse to the point he directly contributed to flight out of the city.

[The 54th Squadron]

Goddamnit Detroit. Quit letting the hippies in.

[Geilinor]

Yeah, the unions did nothing but try to get the best deal possible for their members. It was the industry's inability to adapt that caused their downfall. You can say that unions made it impossible to compete with Japan, but that entirely ignores the fact that Japan has powerful unions.

Yes, but as I pointed out unions in Japan work differently than they do in America. It's largely apples and oranges here. In japan, unions and just the culture itself fosters a sense of solidarity between workers adn the management/corporation. Not so much here in America, where the Union and Corporations are seen as opposing negotiators, concerned only with their own narrow and exclusive self interest.

The union and the corporation don't need to be seen in the manner you mentioned. Blaming unions for problems feeds the adversarial attitude.

[Estrain (Ancient)]

Better than in any neighborhood I've lived in. Point is, about half work, the other half are on disability.

Ah yes meant to mention disability as well, that is a major source of poverty, and we should try to help those truly unable to work. That said, it be preferable to see private enterprise adn charity step up and help the truly needy and deserving poor.

It'd be nice if they would, but they don't hence why we have welfare and disability. And for charities, they can only do so much, and some choose who they help and who they don't. Government can't do that (at least they "can't").

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Better than in any neighborhood I've lived in. Point is, about half work, the other half are on disability.

Ah yes meant to mention disability as well, that is a major source of poverty, and we should try to help those truly unable to work. That said, it be preferable to see private enterprise adn charity step up and help the truly needy and deserving poor.

As one of those truly needy and deserving poor, I can say with some confidence that it's actually incredibly difficult to get on disability, and that the truly needy and deserving poor are usually the first to give up, since their disabilities often make it difficult to jump through the hoops. The con artists will always find a way. Disability isn't a source of poverty to me. It's a source of not having to live on the streets anymore.

[Llamalandia]

Yeah, the unions did nothing but try to get the best deal possible for their members. It was the industry's inability to adapt that caused their downfall. You can say that unions made it impossible to compete with Japan, but that entirely ignores the fact that Japan has powerful unions.

Germany also has powerful unions and its auto industry is doing very well.

Again, apples and oranges, though actually German unions are at least in roughly the same ballpark as US unions.