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Postby 4years » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:10 pm

Valkalan wrote:Christian and especially catholic doctrine promote selflessness, service for the less fortunate


Only very inconsistently and in an extremely limited manner.
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Postby East Cloudsdale » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:10 pm

Angleter wrote:He's saying, in jest, that his previous comments on the poor that some denounced as 'Communist' were simply reiterating 2000 year old Christian teaching, and that the Communists came to the same rhetoric in defence of the poor much later. So no, Francis is not a Communist, nor is he a "Communist sympathiser" (whatever that is).


sym·pa·thiz·er
ˈsimpəˌTHīzər/ohsit
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noun: sympathiser
a person who agrees with or supports a sentiment or opinion.
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synonyms: supporter, backer, well-wisher, advocate, ally, partisan; More

a communist sympathiser is a person who suppoors tcommunist
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:10 pm

4years wrote:
Valkalan wrote:Christian and especially catholic doctrine promote selflessness, service for the less fortunate


Only very inconsistently and in an extremely limited manner.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Postby Dundee Derry » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:13 pm

New acardia wrote:All that I have to say is I am glad that I left the Catholic church for the Orthodox Church .
Because Rome was heading left way before this pope came along.

Heading what way?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:14 pm

Dundee Derry wrote:
New acardia wrote:All that I have to say is I am glad that I left the Catholic church for the Orthodox Church .
Because Rome was heading left way before this pope came along.

Heading what way?


Left Way.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:15 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:But what's with the picture? That's not Francis.


Exactly.


I don't get it...

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Sklavinia wrote:
Oh, so believing in something without proof makes you an idiot? Is that it? Because then I'm pretty sure that makes most people idiots, including many intellectuals. Humanity cannot nor must not rely on proof for everything, if we did, the world would be incredibly and drastically different. And not in a good way.

So rather than reserving judgement, on questions we have not yet answered, you rely on a book of primitive scribblings for the answers? Sees legit. Sarcasm


Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Exactly.


I don't get it...

NEO Rome Republic wrote:So rather than reserving judgement, on questions we have not yet answered, you rely on a book of primitive scribblings for the answers? Sees legit. Sarcasm


Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.

If that's what you think, okay then. :meh: But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Exactly.


I don't get it...

NEO Rome Republic wrote:So rather than reserving judgement, on questions we have not yet answered, you rely on a book of primitive scribblings for the answers? Sees legit. Sarcasm


Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.

He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:17 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:So rather than reserving judgement, on questions we have not yet answered, you rely on a book of primitive scribblings for the answers? Sees legit. Sarcasm


Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.


That doesn't make sense.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Angleter » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:18 pm

East Cloudsdale wrote:
Angleter wrote:He's saying, in jest, that his previous comments on the poor that some denounced as 'Communist' were simply reiterating 2000 year old Christian teaching, and that the Communists came to the same rhetoric in defence of the poor much later. So no, Francis is not a Communist, nor is he a "Communist sympathiser" (whatever that is).


sym·pa·thiz·er
ˈsimpəˌTHīzər/ohsit
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noun: sympathiser
a person who agrees with or supports a sentiment or opinion.
"a Nazi sympathizer"
synonyms: supporter, backer, well-wisher, advocate, ally, partisan; More

a communist sympathiser is a person who suppoors tcommunist


So, a Communist?
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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:20 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
I don't get it...



Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.

He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.
Pandeeria wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.


That doesn't make sense.
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
I don't get it...



Nice hypocrisy. You realize that by not believing in God, when you have no proof he does not exist, also means you believe without knowing, right?

Also, nice mix of opinion, aggression, hostility, and flamebait. Didn't work though, tough luck.

If that's what you think, okay then. :meh: But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd to me.


There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:21 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.
Pandeeria wrote:
That doesn't make sense.
NEO Rome Republic wrote:If that's what you think, okay then. :meh: But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd to me.


There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.

Not believing that something exists is the default position because it has the least assumptions.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:21 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.
Pandeeria wrote:
That doesn't make sense.
NEO Rome Republic wrote:If that's what you think, okay then. :meh: But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd to me.


There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.

We don't believe that he does not exist, we just don't believe that he does.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:22 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.
Pandeeria wrote:
That doesn't make sense.
NEO Rome Republic wrote:If that's what you think, okay then. :meh: But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd to me.


There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.


Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, it makes more sense to not believe in a deity.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Post War America » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:25 pm

Both have similar ideals and Socialism and Social Justice has been delivered to the people via Christianity... however the two are not the same.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:25 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.


Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, if makes more sense to not believe in a deity.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Postby Valkalan » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:25 pm

4years wrote:
Valkalan wrote:Christian and especially catholic doctrine promote selflessness, service for the less fortunate


Only very inconsistently and in an extremely limited manner.

Similarly, communism has only succeeded in an inconsistent and extremely limited manner. The problem with communism is that in practice it tends to destroy the mechanisms that incentivize prosperity and innovation, ultimately resulting in economic failure or market reforms.

This is not to say that christianity is any better.
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Postby The Broken American States » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:27 pm

he's from argentina. that's in south america


What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Are South Americans communist now?

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:28 pm

The Broken American States wrote:
he's from argentina. that's in south america


What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Are South Americans communist now?


It means the opposite now.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Revanchism » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Sounds more like a joke than a serious statement really.
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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.

Not believing that something exists is the default position because it has the least assumptions.


And thus, everyone believes in something they cannot prove.

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.

We don't believe that he does not exist, we just don't believe that he does.


That's the exact same thing. Do you even understand what you're saying?

Pandeeria wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.


Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, it makes more sense to not believe in a deity.


That doesn't mean he doesn't exist, and that's also just your opinion. In my opinion, it makes no logical sense that God doesn't exist.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Not believing that something exists is the default position because it has the least assumptions.


And thus, everyone believes in something they cannot prove.

United Marxist Nations wrote:We don't believe that he does not exist, we just don't believe that he does.


That's the exact same thing. Do you even understand what you're saying?

Pandeeria wrote:
Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, it makes more sense to not believe in a deity.


That doesn't mean he doesn't exist, and that's also just your opinion. In my opinion, it makes no logical sense that God doesn't exist.

Not really, you're just not reading it correctly. And playing the silly game of "I know you are but what am I".
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, it makes more sense to not believe in a deity.


That doesn't mean he doesn't exist, and that's also just your opinion. In my opinion, it makes no logical sense that God doesn't exist.


Then your opinion is incorrect.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Roski » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:33 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
The Broken American States wrote:
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Are South Americans communist now?


It means the opposite now.

... please go further in that statement.
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Postby Roski » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Not believing that something exists is the default position because it has the least assumptions.


And thus, everyone believes in something they cannot prove.

United Marxist Nations wrote:We don't believe that he does not exist, we just don't believe that he does.


That's the exact same thing. Do you even understand what you're saying?

Pandeeria wrote:
Logically speaking it makes more sense that a god does not exist. Parts of the bible and scripture are illogical or disproven, it makes more sense to not believe in a deity.


That doesn't mean he doesn't exist, and that's also just your opinion. In my opinion, it makes no logical sense that God doesn't exist.


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