Pope says communists are closet Christians

[Pandeeria]

It means the opposite now.

... please go further in that statement.

I cannot, for it is the opposite.

[Planeia]

Does that mean I can kill, cheat on my ugly bitch of a wife, disrespect my parents, and hate my neighbor now? FUCKING FINALLY!



If I recall correctly, continuing the sin does.

Anyway, 'tis for another thread.

Where does it say continuing the sin makes you non-Christian? That's not how it works.

And no, you can't kill or cheat. Disrespect and hate? That's up for debate.

Fuckin' sweet! I'm going to heaven after all! Screw the fact that it's hypocrisy to ask for forgiveness for something you continue doing, it beats going to hell for a crime that is no where near at all equal to the punishment (five seconds of a sin =/= a eternity of damnation, tell that to your self-centered, perfectionist tyrant of an imaginary friend).

[Vanhania]

So, capitalists are open homosexuals? I didn't know this about myself.

What? This makes no sense...

Wrong. Christians are closet communists.

Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Well there are many bible verses against greed and money.

Hebrews 13:5

Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

1 Timothy 6:10

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

[Planeia]

Does that mean I can kill, cheat on my ugly bitch of a wife, disrespect my parents, and hate my neighbor now? FUCKING FINALLY!

The 10 Commandments were referred to in the New Testament, so no. There's also the law which prevents you from murdering. Are you sure you understand your religion as well as you think you do?

Wat.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

[Pandeeria]

Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

Come on guys, it was a joke.

[Wind in the Willows]

Maybe Christians are closet Communists?

[Terrala]

-snip-

Plenty of communists are Christian. The statement that all communists (I'm guessing a generalization by that wording) is false, however. While I do think a lot are atheist or at the very least simply non-religious from my experience, there's quite a bit that believe in some religion or form of spiritually.

Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference.

He's correct. They weren't Communist, as they were a totalitarian dictatorship. They did follow the Socialistic economic policy, though

The Soviet Union wasn't socialist (having workers' ownership and control over the means of production). It was capitalist (mostly state capitalism) and their actions proved them to outright be anti-communist and anti-socialist (especially when they invaded and destroyed one of the few mass communist/anarchist societies to exist in more modern times) along with being rather oppressive in general.

Wrong. Christians are closet communists.

Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Some do.

[Waideland]

If you read the bible itself, and not the variable, and often self-interested dogma of major christian organizations, you'll see that it values generosity, kindness, and compassion. Those are not communist ideals. Soviet-style communism is about the state taking from people, and redistributing as they see fit, not people giving to the state, or the poor. Stalin, take all of our grain. We're sure you need it more than us. Amen.

At the same time, those ideals can not be translated as simply "give all your stuff to the poor". Apparently the pope missed a few lines in the bible about enjoying the fruits of your labors. If Francis truly feels that wealth itself is sinful when there's anyone who needs it more than you, then he needs to STFU, and get to melting down those crucifixes, chopping up those silk robes, and pulling up those marble floors, and getting rid of all that extra land the church owns. There's no reason all these holy men of Christ can't perform their duties in open fields wearing sack cloth just like the old days.

[Pandeeria]

If you read the bible itself, and not the variable, and often self-interested dogma of major christian organizations, you'll see that it values generosity, kindness, and compassion. Those are not communist ideals. Soviet-style communism is about the state taking from people, and redistributing as they see fit, not people giving to the state, or the poor. Stalin, take all of our grain. We're sure you need it more than us. Amen.

At the same time, those ideals can not be translated as simply "give all your stuff to the poor". Apparently the pope missed a few lines in the bible about enjoying the fruits of your labors. If Francis truly feels that wealth itself is sinful when there's anyone who needs it more than you, then he needs to STFU, and get to melting down those crucifixes, chopping up those silk robes, and pulling up those marble floors, and getting rid of all that extra land the church owns. There's no reason all these holy men of Christ can't perform their duties in open fields wearing sack cloth just like the old days.

We're not talking Soviet-Style pseudo communism.

[Revanchism]

If you read the bible itself, and not the variable, and often self-interested dogma of major christian organizations, you'll see that it values generosity, kindness, and compassion. Those are not communist ideals. Soviet-style communism is about the state taking from people, and redistributing as they see fit, not people giving to the state, or the poor. Stalin, take all of our grain. We're sure you need it more than us. Amen.

At the same time, those ideals can not be translated as simply "give all your stuff to the poor". Apparently the pope missed a few lines in the bible about enjoying the fruits of your labors. If Francis truly feels that wealth itself is sinful when there's anyone who needs it more than you, then he needs to STFU, and get to melting down those crucifixes, chopping up those silk robes, and pulling up those marble floors, and getting rid of all that extra land the church owns. There's no reason all these holy men of Christ can't perform their duties in open fields wearing sack cloth just like the old days.

It's like you don't even know anything about communism.

[Planeia]

-snip-

Plenty of communists are Christian. The statement that all communists (I'm guessing a generalization by that wording) is false, however. While I do think a lot are atheist or at the very least simply non-religious from my experience, there's quite a bit that believe in some religion or form of spiritually.

But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference.

He's correct. They weren't Communist, as they were a totalitarian dictatorship. They did follow the Socialistic economic policy, though

The Soviet Union wasn't socialist (having workers' ownership and control over the means of production). It was capitalist (mostly state capitalism) and their actions proved them to outright be anti-communist and anti-socialist (especially when they invaded and destroyed one of the few mass communist/anarchist societies to exist in more modern times) along with being rather oppressive in general.

Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Some do.

So many sources behind NEARLY EVERY SINGLE SYLLABLE is hardly necessary...

[Neo Rome Republic]

Plenty of communists are Christian. The statement that all communists (I'm guessing a generalization by that wording) is false, however. While I do think a lot are atheist or at the very least simply non-religious from my experience, there's quite a bit that believe in some religion or form of spiritually.


The Soviet Union wasn't socialist (having workers' ownership and control over the means of production). It was capitalist (mostly state capitalism) and their actions proved them to outright be anti-communist and anti-socialist (especially when they invaded and destroyed one of the few mass communist/anarchist societies to exist in more modern times) along with being rather oppressive in general.

Some do.

So many sources behind NEARLY EVERY SINGLE SYLLABLE is hardly necessary...

Better safe than sorry.

[Bojikami]

Eh, I guess the goals of both are somewhat similar, but I'm no Christian.

[Terrala]

Plenty of communists are Christian. The statement that all communists (I'm guessing a generalization by that wording) is false, however. While I do think a lot are atheist or at the very least simply non-religious from my experience, there's quite a bit that believe in some religion or form of spiritually.


The Soviet Union wasn't socialist (having workers' ownership and control over the means of production). It was capitalist (mostly state capitalism) and their actions proved them to outright be anti-communist and anti-socialist (especially when they invaded and destroyed one of the few mass communist/anarchist societies to exist in more modern times) along with being rather oppressive in general.

Some do.

So many sources behind NEARLY EVERY SINGLE SYLLABLE is hardly necessary...

I was holding back,though.

[ALMF]

1. His historical claim is correct. 2. Marx was based on Christianity. It was trying to take the important step of rescuing the good ideas from the muck of superstition. There is plenty so object to in the Catholic church, and to a lesser extent this pope, but this ain't it.

1. His historical claim incorrect taken as stated.

2. A) Marx based himself on Hegelian dialectical philosophy, Feuerbach's materialism, classical political-economy, and utopian socialism for more than on Christian social teachings (although he did seek to retrieve the best of Christian social teaching). B) Communism is far order than Marx.

Both Marx and Nietzsche start with the Hegelian dialectic and see Christianity as a bad thing. Nietzsche then sout the AntiThesis of Christianity and ran with that: the result is a useful standard counterexample. Marx went the next step, and tried to create a synthesis. Therefore, it is as much based on Christianity as opposition thereto.

That siad, as presented in the title it is not so. The correct conclusion of the popes historical linkages is "Christ, and anyone who truly follows him, must be a communist"

[ALMF]

He doesn't believe there is no god, he just doesn't believe in a god, because there's no evidence to suggest he should.

That doesn't make sense.

If that's what you think, okay then. But there was no flame bait, just addressing what looked absurd to me.

There is no proof God exists.
There is no proof God does not exist.

Therefor, believing in either of these things is believing without proof.

God is omnipotent. Ergo God is an omniscient entity living in a universe without omniscience. Ergo God is a contradiction in terms and doesn't exist.

Also, it is epistemology and morally unforgivable to believe something exists without evidence, whereas it is epistemology and morally proper to disbelieve something exists without more evidence than a concerted search fails to produce evidence.

[4years]

I was holding back,though.

I have an issue with you leaving out all most important sources and so forth.

[Doitsu-san]

The Pope has good intentions, but he honestly needs to stop talking about things he knows nothing about.

Communism is a flawed economic system that drags down the Middle and Upper classes to benefit the "oppressed" poor, if anything, it is absolute greed. Christendom encourages charity and kindness to the poor. These two things are drastically different.

[Benshir]

Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

So. Damn. Edgy.

[United States of Natan]

Technically, Marx was not athiest. If his Mother was Jewish, he is Jewish.

[Pandeeria]

Technically, Marx was not athiest. If his Mother was Jewish, he is Jewish.

That doesn't make sense.

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

-snip-

Plenty of communists are Christian. The statement that all communists (I'm guessing a generalization by that wording) is false, however. While I do think a lot are atheist or at the very least simply non-religious from my experience, there's quite a bit that believe in some religion or form of spiritually.

But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference.

He's correct. They weren't Communist, as they were a totalitarian dictatorship. They did follow the Socialistic economic policy, though

The Soviet Union wasn't socialist (having workers' ownership and control over the means of production). It was capitalist (mostly state capitalism) and their actions proved them to outright be anti-communist and anti-socialist (especially when they invaded and destroyed one of the few mass communist/anarchist societies to exist in more modern times) along with being rather oppressive in general.

Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Some do.

You win the entire discussion.

[Wisconsin9]

I am? Huh. I had no idea.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

"Religion is the opiate of the masses." Obviously a Christian message right there.