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Pope says communists are closet Christians

Postby East Cloudsdale » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:14 pm

(Reuters) - Pope Francis, whose criticisms of unbridled capitalism have prompted some to label him a Marxist, said in an interview published on Sunday that communists had stolen the flag of Christianity.

The 77-year-old pontiff gave an interview to Il Messaggero, Rome's local newspaper, to mark the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, a Roman holiday.

He was asked about a blog post in the Economist magazine that said he sounded like a Leninist when he criticised capitalism and called for radical economic reform.

"I can only say that the communists have stolen our flag. The flag of the poor is Christian. Poverty is at the centre of the Gospel," he said, citing Biblical passages about the need to help the poor, the sick and the needy.

"Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: 'but then you are Christian'," he said, laughing.

Since his election in March 2013, Francis has often attacked the global economic system as being insensitive to the poor and not doing enough to share wealth with those who need it most.

Earlier this month, he criticised the wealth made from financial speculation as intolerable and said speculation on commodities was a scandal that compromised the poor's access to food.



yeah. thats tright. so do you think the communists have stolen the christian flag? is the pope a communist? i dont think the communists have stole cthe cirstian flag because karl marsx wasn an atheist. but i think rancis is a communist sympathizer (he's from argentina. that's in south america).

what do you think about this article? on reuters

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/2 ... KC20140629
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 pm

While the thread is legitimate, please use a spellcheck software.

Anyhow, it seems said in jest. Sure, communism and Catholicism have some social justice tenets that are vaguely similar, but there is a bit more to Christianity than just being good towards those that are poor, even though that is, difficult as it may be sometimes, a vital aspect of it.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:24 pm

Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:24 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

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Grand Britannia wrote:Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.

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Postby Planeia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:26 pm

So, capitalists are open homosexuals? I didn't know this about myself.
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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:27 pm

East Cloudsdale wrote:
(Reuters) - Pope Francis, whose criticisms of unbridled capitalism have prompted some to label him a Marxist, said in an interview published on Sunday that communists had stolen the flag of Christianity.

The 77-year-old pontiff gave an interview to Il Messaggero, Rome's local newspaper, to mark the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, a Roman holiday.

He was asked about a blog post in the Economist magazine that said he sounded like a Leninist when he criticised capitalism and called for radical economic reform.

"I can only say that the communists have stolen our flag. The flag of the poor is Christian. Poverty is at the centre of the Gospel," he said, citing Biblical passages about the need to help the poor, the sick and the needy.

"Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: 'but then you are Christian'," he said, laughing.

Since his election in March 2013, Francis has often attacked the global economic system as being insensitive to the poor and not doing enough to share wealth with those who need it most.

Earlier this month, he criticised the wealth made from financial speculation as intolerable and said speculation on commodities was a scandal that compromised the poor's access to food.



yeah. thats tright. so do you think the communists have stolen the christian flag? is the pope a communist? i dont think the communists have stole cthe cirstian flag because karl marsx wasn an atheist. but i think rancis is a communist sympathizer (he's from argentina. that's in south america).

what do you think about this article? on reuters

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/2 ... KC20140629


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On topic, it's always made me curious as to how a lot of Far-Leftists are against religion. Most religions encourage fair treatment, equality, charity, and what not. And yet, most Communists and Socialists are typically Atheists and Anti-Theists.
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Postby Korouse » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:27 pm

So, the pope is a commie?
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Postby Aushanit » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:28 pm

I would t agree totally with the statement but Christianity and Communism can definetly mix well together. An example that come to mind is the early American colonial towns like Plymouth.

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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:29 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.


But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference. ;)

Korouse wrote:So, the pope is a commie?


He never said he was.
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Postby Margno » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:29 pm

Oh Pope Francis, what will you do next? :lol:
He's totally right, I couldn't agree more. Also, OP, he's not a communist. He's probably a distributionist more so than anything else.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:29 pm

Wrong. Christians are closet communists.

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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:31 pm

Planeia wrote:So, capitalists are open homosexuals? I didn't know this about myself.


What? This makes no sense...

Merizoc wrote:Wrong. Christians are closet communists.


Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.
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Postby Planeia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:31 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Soviet Union was the most Christian nation in the entire Eurasian continent.


But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference. ;)


What history book are you reading?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:32 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
East Cloudsdale wrote:
yeah. thats tright. so do you think the communists have stolen the christian flag? is the pope a communist? i dont think the communists have stole cthe cirstian flag because karl marsx wasn an atheist. but i think rancis is a communist sympathizer (he's from argentina. that's in south america).

what do you think about this article? on reuters

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/2 ... KC20140629


Moy Bog... please learn English.

On topic, it's always made me curious as to how a lot of Far-Leftists are against religion. Most religions encourage fair treatment, equality, charity, and what not. And yet, most Communists and Socialists are typically Atheists and Anti-Theists.

Well, there's the whole "Opiate of the masses" thing, and religion encourages spending time and resources devoting some mystical figure, rather than spending it with actual people, so I can see why the notion of religion would contradict some leftist philosophies, even though some of the specific teachings may not.

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Postby Korouse » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:32 pm

Margno wrote:Oh Pope Francis, what will you do next? 8)
He's totally right, I couldn't agree with him more . Also, OP, he's not a communist. He's probably a distributionist more so than anything else.

He's Socialist.
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Postby Alosteq Diin Nastja » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:32 pm

Planeia wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference. ;)


What history book are you reading?

He's correct. They weren't Communist, as they were a totalitarian dictatorship. They did follow the Socialistic economic policy, though
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:33 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Wrong. Christians are closet communists.


Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Whoops. Your sarcasm detector broke.

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Postby Margno » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:34 pm

Sklavinia wrote:
Wrong. Christians don't believe in a stateless society or the abolishing of currency.

Early ones as much as did. They refused to swear loyalty to Caesar, saying that only Jesus is lord, held all their possessions in common, and gave everything they didn't need to the poor.
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Postby Dundee Derry » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:34 pm

Reminds me of that bit from the much missed Vicar of Dibley. Youtube took the clip down. Damn them.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:34 pm

Sklavinia wrote:On topic, it's always made me curious as to how a lot of Far-Leftists are against religion. Most religions encourage fair treatment, equality, charity, and what not. And yet, most Communists and Socialists are typically Atheists and Anti-Theists.

The reasons why leftists are against religion are multiple. But I will list the most common ones in order of importance:
1. Leftist movements tend to emerge from societies that were either feudal (Russia), colonial (French Indochina) or simply right wing or just conserve (Pre-Civil War Spain). And in such societies religion tends to be something that's organized by the state or parallel to the state and an active source of oppression. Thus dismantling the organized religion of the system is very much an important part of dismantling the system.

2. Religion is opium for the people. In essence what this is referring to is the fact that religion is a tool used by the clergy to brainwash people into doing their biding. Some times it is for a good cause, some times for a bad one. But regardless of the cause it represents a parallel power structure and set of values that a revolutionary system which wishes to impose its views on the world can not allow.

3. Religion is ascientific and conservative. It relies on belief rather than proof and tradition rather than innovation. Both of these things are in conflict with communism as it relies on intellectual thought and the destruction of traditional values to replace them with new communist ones.

So really the points of contact are fewer than the points of divergence.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:35 pm

So the whole State Atheism, Dialectical Materialism, and "Opium of the people" Rhetoric was just for shits and giggles?
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Postby Korouse » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:35 pm

I think you should all go listen to one of Charlie Chaplin's speeches he gave in one of his movies.

His bible quote proves Christians are national socialists.
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Postby Giovenith » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:35 pm

What if a Communist is an open Christian?
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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:36 pm

Planeia wrote:
Sklavinia wrote:
But it was Socialist, not Communist. There's a difference. ;)


What history book are you reading?


Russian ones. You know, the ones made after that country collapsed by the people who were actually born, raised, grew up, and lived in it.

I don't know what they're teaching you in Western schools, but they need to do better research.

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Sklavinia wrote:
Moy Bog... please learn English.

On topic, it's always made me curious as to how a lot of Far-Leftists are against religion. Most religions encourage fair treatment, equality, charity, and what not. And yet, most Communists and Socialists are typically Atheists and Anti-Theists.

Well, there's the whole "Opiate of the masses" thing, and religion encourages spending time and resources devoting some mystical figure, rather than spending it with actual people, so I can see why the notion of religion would contradict some leftist philosophies, even though some of the specific teachings may not.


How does it contradict any leftist philosophies, exactly?

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What history book are you reading?

He's correct. They weren't Communist, as they were a totalitarian dictatorship. They did follow the Socialistic economic policy, though


State Socialist, to be exact.
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