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Postby Liberaxia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Torisakia wrote:
greed and death wrote:Many judges require female attorneys to wear skirts.

Part of business attire, I assume.

Plus, I'm sure they have "casual fridays". ;)

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I think boys should be encouraged to wear skirts too.

They do. Well, mostly in Europe. But they do.


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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Britannic Realms wrote:Why would you do that when you can stand? It's completely pointless. It's not necessarily more hygienic, it's not more comfy, it's not 'more egalitarian'.

1. Yes, men piss all over the place when they are exposed to stalls rather than urinals.

2. Did you try pissing sit for the last 2 years of your life to argue otherwise? It is objectively more comfortable just by the fact you don't need to clean up the eventual piss you might accidentally leave on the toilet or the floor.

3. "Men piss standing" is part of traditional gender roles that implicate people of either sex are inherently different from each other, when both are capable of pissing standing AND sit.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:12 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Alexanda wrote:HOW DARE YOU?!
I am a girl! Even if I was not, I wouldn't want to stare at girls!

Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.
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Postby Flyover » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:12 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Alexanda wrote:HOW DARE YOU?!
I am a girl! Even if I was not, I wouldn't want to stare at girls!

Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.


Her arguments are as follows:
-Easier to use the bathroom in.
-A centuries old tradition.

Both have been completely refuted, of course.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:12 pm

People of all genders should be able to choose whether to wear a skirt or trousers.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:12 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:Why would you do that when you can stand? It's completely pointless. It's not necessarily more hygienic, it's not more comfy, it's not 'more egalitarian'.

1. Yes, men piss all over the place when they are exposed to stalls rather than urinals.

That is a not-entirely-accurate stereotype and I resent it.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:Why would you do that when you can stand? It's completely pointless. It's not necessarily more hygienic, it's not more comfy, it's not 'more egalitarian'.

1. Yes, men piss all over the place when they are exposed to stalls rather than urinals.

2. Did you try pissing sit for the last 2 years of your life to argue otherwise? It is objectively more comfortable just by the fact you don't need to clean up the eventual piss you might accidentally leave on the toilet or the floor.

3. "Men piss standing" is part of traditional gender roles that implicate people of either sex are inherently different from each other, when both are capable of pissing standing AND sit.

If you piss all over the place then you're doing it wrong.

Also, I think it's a bit silly to try to make men and women regarded the same biologically when they just aren't.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.


And, as has been demonstrated, both arguments are terrible.

Care to try again? Or actually, don't even bother.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.

To the underlined, I fail to see how. To the traditional thing, I again bring up smallpox. To your opinion, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Postby Flyover » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.


Both the first two points have been addressed. Not only is "easier" subjective, but it's not a unique reason. It would be easier for boys if they wore skirts, after all. As for the tradition thing, old =/= good. Women were oppressed in various forms for centuries, after all.
And that last point is purely opinion.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:Why would you do that when you can stand? It's completely pointless. It's not necessarily more hygienic, it's not more comfy, it's not 'more egalitarian'.

1. Yes, men piss all over the place when they are exposed to stalls rather than urinals.


I'm part of "men". This hardly ever happens for me, and if it does, I clean it up myself.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:15 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.

Girls should be able to wear whatever they want. They shouldn't be encouraged to wear a certain type of clothing just because "that is what we have done for centuries".

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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:15 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.


And, as has been demonstrated, both arguments are terrible.

Care to try again? Or actually, don't even bother.

Perhaps you should leave, if you are so bored?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:15 pm

Flyover wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.


Her arguments are as follows:
-Easier to use the bathroom in.
-A centuries old tradition.

Both have been completely refuted, of course.

You know what else is a centuries old tradition? Conquering other nations and enslaving their inhabitants.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:16 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.


That's illogical.

Everything is definitely about sex. *nods*
Well, from a biological standpoint, everything is about survival of yourself and your species. To continue to pass on your genes and to perpetuate your species you must have sex. Sex is very important.
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:16 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.

1. What makes it difficult for females to use to bathroom if they aren't wearing a skirt?
2. What does tradition have to do with it?
3. I'm sensing a sort of "skirts are only for females" thing here

And, yes, not everything is about sex. However, modern-day social norms have greatly increased the influence of sex and the thought of it.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:16 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
And, as has been demonstrated, both arguments are terrible.

Care to try again? Or actually, don't even bother.

Perhaps you should leave, if you are so bored?


I can decide for myself where I post and don't post, nor did I claim to be bored.

Would you like to try actually forming a worthwhile argument?
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Postby Flyover » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
And, as has been demonstrated, both arguments are terrible.

Care to try again? Or actually, don't even bother.

Perhaps you should leave, if you are so bored?


Or you could defend your arguments and/or make new ones.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:Why would you do that when you can stand? It's completely pointless. It's not necessarily more hygienic, it's not more comfy, it's not 'more egalitarian'.


3. "Men piss standing" is part of traditional gender roles that implicate people of either sex are inherently different from each other, when both are capable of pissing standing AND sit.

No, that's just because it's faster.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:That is a not-entirely-accurate stereotype and I resent it.

It has been my experience in Brazil. e.e
Jamessonia wrote:If you piss all over the place then you're doing it wrong.

Also, I think it's a bit silly to try to make men and women regarded the same biologically when they just aren't.

1. Some people don't care and feel like they aren't supposed to care because they are pigs

Also, for those of us who are uncut, sometimes the foreskin gets stuck in a way that you get a double piss stream, one of them falling vertically from your body and the other having pressure to end up forward (at times you might even get a vertical one).

2. You're part of the problem. This sort of gender essentialism is harmful. It is none of anybody's business. If you want to be some way, be that way, but don't place blame for that on what role you were assigned to at birth by a limited understanding of reality!
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Perhaps you should leave, if you are so bored?


I can decide for myself where I post and don't post, nor did I claim to be bored.

Would you like to try actually forming a worthwhile argument?

Would you like to stop being so rude and telling me to shut up?
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Postby Greater Watford » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

My school uniform makes skirts mandatory for girls from Year 7-11, with Sixth Form happening to wear "business attire". At the moment, the uniform style wouldn't suit trousers, but I'm indifferent if they change it.

I personally prefer skirts rather than trousers on girls, but maybe that's just my 17 year old mind :p
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
I can decide for myself where I post and don't post, nor did I claim to be bored.

Would you like to try actually forming a worthwhile argument?

Would you like to stop being so rude and telling me to shut up?


Would you like to show me when I told you to shut up?
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:18 pm

Flyover wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Perhaps you should leave, if you are so bored?


Or you could defend your arguments and/or make new ones.

This.

I know I'm kind of being a hypocrite saying that, as I tend to poorly defend my own arguments. But I agree, Alexanda, you could at least make us think that you're trying to defend your arguments or at least make new ones.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:18 pm

Alexanda wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Then what is your reason for claiming that females should be encouraged to wear skirts? It sounds like you have some kind of fetish.

Allow me to tell you something which will amaze you: Not everything is about sex!
It is more convenient for girls to wear skirts, as they can go to the lavatory easier. Girls have also worn skirts for Centuries, and, in my opinion, they suit the female character more than trousers.

Why is it harder for females to use the lavatory in trousers? For the last time, close the stall and pull your pants down.
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