Skirts for Girls?

[Alexanda]

That 'bitch' and 'Nazi' also helped my country considerably.
The moderators have been warned about your insults, and soon they will message you. My advice is to stop posting on this thread and leave.

If you contact the moderators, you aren't supposed to sneer by using that fact afterward (or anytime, anyway).

That's also actionable.

I am not sneering. I am simply warning him.

[Torisakia]

And like I told you, it was a reasonable thing for me to assume based on the fact that you are a Thatcherite. Thatcherites do have a propensity for being sociopaths and miserable control-freaks, and you tend to be openly contemptuous of anything outside your norms or expectations. Just face it, that bitch was a revolting Nazi who had all the humility of a wild boar hog. My assumption about your own views was therefore not only reasonable but most likely correct.

That 'bitch' and 'Nazi' also helped my country considerably.
The moderators have been warned about your insults, and soon they will message you. My advice is to stop posting on this thread and leave.

Lets try to steer back onto the topic. One question I was thinking about yesterday: If females wore skirts to schools very often (although they aren't required to), how much could that affect their feeling of individuality? For instance, say a girl went to a school where all of the girls wore skirts except for her and a few other people and those other people were considered 'outcasts', would that make them think that they're meant to wear a skirt to fit in?

[Christiaanistan]

I am trying to silence you so you stop calling me mentally ill.

I didn't. I just said that I think Thatcherites tend to be. If the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.

Now, what do you think of my own idea of handling school dress codes in a consultative manner, by including the people who have to wear them in the discussion and trying to get an idea as to how it actually affects them? The consultative style of management is very powerful, and it is also useful for getting the best results out of controlling any group of people, including our offspring.

[Alexanda]

I didn't. I just said that I think Thatcherites tend to be. If the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.

Now, what do you think of my own idea of handling school dress codes in a consultative manner, by including the people who have to wear them in the discussion and trying to get an idea as to how it actually affects them? The consultative style of management is very powerful, and it is also useful for getting the best results out of controlling any group of people, including our offspring.

I have proof that you called me mentally ill. Perfect proof.
Now stop talking about it NOW!!!!

[Alexanda]

That 'bitch' and 'Nazi' also helped my country considerably.
The moderators have been warned about your insults, and soon they will message you. My advice is to stop posting on this thread and leave.

Lets try to steer back onto the topic. One question I was thinking about yesterday: If females wore skirts to schools very often (although they aren't required to), how much could that affect their feeling of individuality? For instance, say a girl went to a school where all of the girls wore skirts except for her and a few other people and those other people were considered 'outcasts', would that make them think that they're meant to wear a skirt to fit in?

If girls are encouraged to wear skirts, then they would wear them, and therefore not feel like outcasts.

[Christiaanistan]

That 'bitch' and 'Nazi' also helped my country considerably.
The moderators have been warned about your insults, and soon they will message you. My advice is to stop posting on this thread and leave.

Lets try to steer back onto the topic. One question I was thinking about yesterday: If females wore skirts to schools very often (although they aren't required to), how much could that affect their feeling of individuality? For instance, say a girl went to a school where all of the girls wore skirts except for her and a few other people and those other people were considered 'outcasts', would that make them think that they're meant to wear a skirt to fit in?

Well, what if she actually prefers to have that as a statement of her identity? Perhaps she has a different view of her gender identity than the other girls. Isn't it therefore possible that being able to positively assert her identity would be useful to her?

I wonder how this would actually play out in real life. This goes back to the argument of allowing boys to wear the skirts also if they feel more comfortable in them. Most of them won't, obviously, but being allowed to wear them if they wanted to would give them a sense of empowerment in their identity.

[Torisakia]

Lets try to steer back onto the topic. One question I was thinking about yesterday: If females wore skirts to schools very often (although they aren't required to), how much could that affect their feeling of individuality? For instance, say a girl went to a school where all of the girls wore skirts except for her and a few other people and those other people were considered 'outcasts', would that make them think that they're meant to wear a skirt to fit in?

If girls are encouraged to wear skirts, then they would wear them, and therefore not feel like outcasts.

So if encouraged, not required, to wear skirts, then all girls would wear skirts?

A number of factors play into that.

[Shilya]

I'm a fan of school uniforms. They simplify an area of life that is already complicated enough for kids.

As for making skirts part of them, I suppose you should ask the girls themselves. I dunno, give them a few designs to choose from, make the most popular one mandatory. Make skirts part of half of them.

[Alexanda]

If girls are encouraged to wear skirts, then they would wear them, and therefore not feel like outcasts.

So if encouraged, not required, to wear skirts, then all girls would wear skirts?

A number of factors play into that.

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

[Murbleflip]

So if encouraged, not required, to wear skirts, then all girls would wear skirts?

A number of factors play into that.

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

At my school, all students are not required to wear (and are expressly forbidden from wearing) skirts. Nobody feels like an outcast, and I have never seen anyone breaking said rule.

[Torisakia]

Lets try to steer back onto the topic. One question I was thinking about yesterday: If females wore skirts to schools very often (although they aren't required to), how much could that affect their feeling of individuality? For instance, say a girl went to a school where all of the girls wore skirts except for her and a few other people and those other people were considered 'outcasts', would that make them think that they're meant to wear a skirt to fit in?

Well, what if she actually prefers to have that as a statement of her identity? Perhaps she has a different view of her gender identity than the other girls. Isn't it therefore possible that being able to positively assert her identity would be useful to her?

I wonder how this would actually play out in real life. This goes back to the argument of allowing boys to wear the skirts also if they feel more comfortable in them. Most of them won't, obviously, but being allowed to wear them if they wanted to would give them a sense of empowerment in their identity.

Which is why I thought about it. I also took into consideration of transsexual women who, if required or otherwise, had to wear skirts, that if they'd be comfortable in them. This obviously should be taken into consideration by schools and/or businesses that require skirts and such.

[Keyboard Warriors]

In a recent thread discussing toys per gender, other players and myself got tied into a conversation about wherever schools should make it mandatory for girls to wear skirts, or vice versa. In my opinion, I think it should be the choice of the individual if they want to wear a skirt or trousers, although I also think girls should be encouraged wear skirts. Whilst one wouldn't want to force a person to wear a gender-related costume if they didn't want to do so, I think girls should be encouraged to wear skirts/ dresses simply because these costumes were made to suit their needs.
NationStates Players, what do you think on the topic?

{Edit}- School uniforms.

There are good enough reasons for school uniforms (safe, durable and cheap clothing; being able to easily identify children etc.) for schools to be able to dictate to their students what clothes they should wear. I'm a little less enthused about girls attending public (not private) schools being forced to wear skirts though instead of being granted the choice of pants or shorts, as skirts are feminine and pants/shorts are kinda unisex. So I'd have to say no, girls should not be forced to wear skirts.

[Torisakia]

So if encouraged, not required, to wear skirts, then all girls would wear skirts?

A number of factors play into that.

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

But like I said, a number of factors play into that.

Such as, a transsexual woman may not be comfortable in a skirt, provided however if males were required to wear skirts as well. There's also the feeling of less individuality because they aren't free to wear what they want.

[Alexanda]

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

But like I said, a number of factors play into that.

Such as, a transsexual woman may not be comfortable in a skirt, provided however if males were required to wear skirts as well. There's also the feeling of less individuality because they aren't free to wear what they want.

You do have an interesting point.

[Christiaanistan]

In a recent thread discussing toys per gender, other players and myself got tied into a conversation about wherever schools should make it mandatory for girls to wear skirts, or vice versa. In my opinion, I think it should be the choice of the individual if they want to wear a skirt or trousers, although I also think girls should be encouraged wear skirts. Whilst one wouldn't want to force a person to wear a gender-related costume if they didn't want to do so, I think girls should be encouraged to wear skirts/ dresses simply because these costumes were made to suit their needs.
NationStates Players, what do you think on the topic?

{Edit}- School uniforms.

There are good enough reasons for school uniforms (safe, durable and cheap clothing; being able to easily identify children etc.) for schools to be able to dictate to their students what clothes they should wear. I'm a little less enthused about girls attending public (not private) schools being forced to wear skirts though instead of being granted the choice of pants or shorts, as skirts are feminine and pants/shorts are kinda unisex. So I'd have to say no, girls should not be forced to wear skirts.

I think that pointing out that pants are unisex pretty much nailed it. Forcing girls to dress in clothing that puts a fine point on their gender is like forcing boys to wear military uniform or bib overalls, as if all they're good for is combat or labor. It's not "girls dressing as boys" for girls to wear slacks. It's "people dressing as people."

[Veceria]

Or nothing at all.

no public nudity though because that breaks other laws... and also because other children will be disturbed...

Pfft, todays youth has seen more nudity at 12 then I will ever see.

[Kiruri]

Or nothing at all.

no public nudity though because that breaks other laws... and also because other children will be disturbed...

ppttff... There's nothing wrong with nudity...

[Paixao]

OP is female and likes Thatcher?

Yeay self oppression!

But on topic: people should wear whatever the hell they like.

[Alexanda]

OP is female and likes Thatcher?

Yeay self oppression!

But on topic: people should wear whatever the hell they like.

I do not think I am oppressing myself, or my gender.

[Domenic and friends]

If woman all wore skirts, what would us men look at? Especially during the summer months.

[United Christian States of America]

Wah. Patriarchy.

[Paixao]

I do not think I am oppressing myself, or my gender.

Fair enough, and that's your opinion.

Thatcher was in favour of victorian sexual/cultural morals, though, as I'm sure you're aware of.

They aren't exactly... female friendly most of the time.

Anyway, I shan't say anymore, as it's off-topic.

[Rocopurr]

So if encouraged, not required, to wear skirts, then all girls would wear skirts?

A number of factors play into that.

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

A while back you said people should wear clothes that related to their sex or something along those lines. Why?

[Alexanda]

I do not think I am oppressing myself, or my gender.

Fair enough, and that's your opinion.

Thatcher was in favour of victorian sexual/cultural morals, though, as I'm sure you're aware of.

They aren't exactly... female friendly most of the time.

Anyway, I shan't say anymore, as it's off-topic.

Oh no, it is perfectly on topic.

[Alexanda]

At my school, girls have to wear skirts.
If they have to, then they will, and nobody will feel like an outcast.

A while back you said people should wear clothes that related to their sex or something along those lines. Why?

Because I think there should be something clothes-wise which determines one's sex.
Skirts also show that one isn't ashamed of being female.