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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.


Who cares if they have differences?
Why do you insist that sex isn't everything, yet you want to put emphasis on the difference between male and female?

If you're heterosexual, why do you care about females showing off so much?
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Because it is my opinion.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Pretty sure most people in middle and high school are well aware of some of the differences between males and females, if you catch my drift.

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Postby Upper America » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Yeah, society is advancing beyond that. No, women shouldn't have to wear things like bras and skirts just because it "fits their natural functions". Same thing with men, we shouldn't have to wear certain clothes just because it fits our natural functions. So what if men and women don't wear different clothes? You can still distinguish them.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.

And you ignore all of our counter-arguments while repeating the same bullshit over and over again.

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Postby Torisakia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Your opinion =/= source.

Women have a different natural function than men? Different reproductive organs, yes. Minus a few other things, females are the same human beings as males. Wearing a skirt doesn't change that.
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Postby Workers Without Borders » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 pm

It is very clear to me that the skirt is nothing more than a dirty rag, representing the patriarchal, misogynistic oppression forced upon us by the capitalist elitists that are pulling the strings of our culture.

The skirt shall only shed this evil symbolism when the working class finally rise up against our masters, allowing men, women, and everything in between, to dress, act and represent themselves however they wish. This is why I, born into the male sex, wear a skirt. A symbol of civil disobedience against the oppressive conservative agenda.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

What, are they the ln to our log, or something?
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Childbearing is not the only function they are suited to.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Jamessonia wrote:1. I am very familiar with the struggle of uncircumcised peeing. If that's a problem, you could always, you know, just pull it out of the way.

2. But the genitalia of male and female people are different. I don't understand trying to ignore that.

1. ...That's ridiculous

2. No, you have 4 levels of biological sex, chromosomal (that is not limited to 46,XX female and 46,XY male by any means), endocrine gearing (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath), gonadal (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath) and neurological wiring (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath).

Whether you are assigned at birth male based on your scrotum and more developed phallus, female based on your vulva or arbitrarily assigned something based on ambiguous genitalia has no direct relation to any of these.

What you do harms all people who were arbitrarily assigned male or female in spite of the diversity that the 4 levels present.

It harms even people like me, who were "adequately" assigned, say, male because they're 46,XY, visibly dominantly virilized according to endocrine gearing, gonadally healthy testosterone- and semen-secreting, neurologically hypermasculinized (accessed by toy preferences, autism spectrum disorders and sexual orientation), but don't grow up to feel like the psychosocial "man" label fits their inner essence.

Aside all the other gender nonconforming people who are nonetheless cisgender/dyadic (unlike us transgender and intersex people), or people who suffer under the hands of people who have their violence or unethical attitudes condoned because of harmful gender roles.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does showing that women are different than men matter? Hell, I say let men wear skirts if they want.

Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.


Different women and men have different ideal roles and capabilities. Why do you advocate forcing people into "functions" not suited to them? That's ugly.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:33 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Childbearing is not the only function they are suited to.

Where did I write anything about childbearing?
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:33 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.


That's pretty much your entire post, though:

Alexanda wrote:Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.
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Postby Flyover » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.


The rest of your post was also an opinion.
Also: I think we'd all like to see some evidence to support your claim that they should wear skirts. You have yet to provide any.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:34 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:So have Scotsmen.

And look how far they've come.

Are we going to see the No True Scotsmen wear kilts argument?
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:35 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:1. I am very familiar with the struggle of uncircumcised peeing. If that's a problem, you could always, you know, just pull it out of the way.

2. But the genitalia of male and female people are different. I don't understand trying to ignore that.

1. ...That's ridiculous

2. No, you have 4 levels of biological sex, chromosomal (that is not limited to 46,XX female and 46,XY male by any means), endocrine gearing (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath), gonadal (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath) and neurological wiring (mostly set by random genotype + intrauterine hormone bath).

Whether you are assigned at birth male based on your scrotum and more developed phallus, female based on your vulva or arbitrarily assigned something based on ambiguous genitalia has no direct relation to any of these.

What you do harms all people who were arbitrarily assigned male or female in spite of the diversity that the 4 levels present.

It harms even people like me, who were "adequately" assigned, say, male because they're 46,XY, visibly dominantly virilized according to endocrine gearing, gonadally healthy testosterone- and semen-secreting, neurologically hypermasculinized (accessed by toy preferences, autism spectrum disorders and sexual orientation), but don't grow up to feel like the psychosocial "man" label fits their inner essence.

Aside all the other gender nonconforming people who are nonetheless cisgender/dyadic (unlike us transgender and intersex people), or people who suffer under the hands of people who have their violence or unethical attitudes condoned because of harmful gender roles.

1. What's ridiculous about retracting your foreskin?

2. That's great. All I'm saying is that there's a reason men tend to pee standing up and women don't. Ignoring that is silly. All of the transgender stuff has nothing to do with that.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:35 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.

I cut off the rest of your statement under the assumption that somebody else would tear it to shreds.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:36 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.

He said it was your opinion. What, is your opinion magically factual? I don't see where he cut you off.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:36 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Alexanda wrote:How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.

I cut off the rest of your statement under the assumption that somebody else would tear it to shreds.


Well, to be honest, there isn't a whole lot to tear there...
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:36 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Childbearing is not the only function they are suited to.

Where did I write anything about childbearing?

Do you even understand what you type?

You said "Women have a different natural function than men..." which can be interpreted that you're talking about the function of childbirth and the like.

However, had you said "Women have many different natural functions than men..." followed by a logical argument, we'd be having a different discussion.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:37 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Alexanda wrote:How childish of you. You cut off the rest of my statement to suit you.

I cut off the rest of your statement under the assumption that somebody else would tear it to shreds.

This entire thread seems to be nothing more than an excuse to indulge in a persecution complex. No amount of reason will prevent the OP from being insulted.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:38 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Where did I write anything about childbearing?

Do you even understand what you type?

You said "Women have a different natural function than men..." which can be interpreted that you're talking about the function of childbirth and the like.

However, had you said "Women have many different natural functions than men..." followed by a logical argument, we'd be having a different discussion.

I assumed you would have enough intelligence to understand the basic meaning.
I stand corrected.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:38 pm

Britannic Realms wrote:In my opinion, transvestites are not attractive. I like men and women, not a mixture. But each to their own, I suppose.

A mixture of man and woman is known as a genderqueer or a person of non-binary gender identity.

Transvestite men and women continue to be men and women.
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Postby Onocarcass » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:38 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Do you even understand what you type?

You said "Women have a different natural function than men..." which can be interpreted that you're talking about the function of childbirth and the like.

However, had you said "Women have many different natural functions than men..." followed by a logical argument, we'd be having a different discussion.

I assumed you would have enough intelligence to understand the basic meaning.
I stand corrected.

Please, enlighten us
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:38 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Because it is my opinion.
Women have a different natural function to men, and therefore I think it important that the pair have noticeable differences, such as a skirt or dress.

Yes, yes, I see that it's an opinion.
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