Labour cosset squaddies

[Dejanic]

Yeah, that's possibly true, and I do (sadly) think that a Blue Labour style campaign could probably win the upcoming election, and considering that old Chuka is penned to be the next Labour leader, and he's also a member of the Blue Labour grouping, it's definetly a possibility that the party will start to stear that way (which is interesting, since Blair's new Labour, with its economic Centrism and Social Leftism, combined with global interventionism, is the polar opposite of Blue Labour). But if the UK is more economically left wing that many think, then why are Ukip rising so quickly, considering their unabashed and unapologetic support of free-market Capitalism? I'd say that people are basically just ignorant of their economic policies, in all fairness.

I don't live in the UK, but if I did, I'd ditch Labour the second Blue Labour was close to winning. British politics is just as screwy and crazy as American politics.

Blue Labour is pretty awful imo, guild Socialism/Corporatism, Social Conservatism, "anti globalisation", foreign isolationism, and anti welfare? No thanks. Blue Labour is basically just an awful reaction to the Centrism of Blairism, it just went wrong somewhere.

[Ifreann]

They're aware. hence the phrasing "specific criminal offence to assault a member of the Armed Forces" as opposed to the crime of assault generally. Such an offence would then typically have separate sentencing guidelines from the General charge of assault. Much as assaulting a policy officer or a paramedic carrying out their duties might in some juristdictions.

I don't get this, I mean It makes sense that assaulting an on duty police officer holds a higher punishment, but I don't really think someone assaulting an off duty soldier should hold a higher punishment than someone assaulting any other person...

Well, maybe if they were fending off an invasion by the Jerries at the time or what have you.

[Neragua]

Labour will say anything to get elected. They're so vacant of decent ideas that it genuinely frightens me they're going to win the next election. In fact, I've never hated our electoral system more than when it guarantees a Labour majority on 35% of the vote.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Personally I think that Blue Labour best represents the Party's radical tradition and that if it could become the dominant faction rather than a group occasionally and inconsistently pandered to it could bring about an earthquake and realignment in British politics of a scale not seen since Thatcher.

The Party finally sorting out its positions on immigration and Europe, rededicating themselves to preventing the hollowing out of the NHS and other public services? Getting a leader who confidently articulates strong positions that resonate with the populace rather than pursuing wet blanket anonymity in the hope that they'll get in by default?

That would be an excellent way of getting this former Labour voter (currently, reluctantly a Conservative supporter due to the other parties being led by fools) back to voting for the Party.

[Dejanic]

Personally I think that Blue Labour best represents the Party's radical tradition and that if it could become the dominant faction rather than a group occasionally and inconsistently pandered to it could bring about an earthquake and realignment in British politics of a scale not seen since Thatcher.

The Party finally sorting out its positions on immigration and Europe, rededicating themselves to preventing the hollowing out of the NHS and other public services? Getting a leader who confidently articulates strong positions that resonate with the populace rather than pursuing wet blanket anonymity in the hope that they'll get in by default?

That would be an excellent way of getting this former Labour voter (currently, reluctantly a Conservative supporter due to the other parties being led by fools) back to voting for the Party.

So turning Labour into a Socially backwards and isolationist mess, would cause you to vote for them? Sorry, there's nothing radical about economic Corporatism, Social Conservatism, absurd isolationism, and anti European rhetoric. If Labour went back to their "radical tradition" they'd become neo-Marxian Socialist internationalists, they wouldn't turn to bloody blue Labour.

You just sound like a closeted Bnp voter, and your right wing vision for Labour has as much legitimacy as the old militant tendencies Communist vision for the party. None.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Personally I think that Blue Labour best represents the Party's radical tradition and that if it could become the dominant faction rather than a group occasionally and inconsistently pandered to it could bring about an earthquake and realignment in British politics of a scale not seen since Thatcher.

The Party finally sorting out its positions on immigration and Europe, rededicating themselves to preventing the hollowing out of the NHS and other public services? Getting a leader who confidently articulates strong positions that resonate with the populace rather than pursuing wet blanket anonymity in the hope that they'll get in by default?

That would be an excellent way of getting this former Labour voter (currently, reluctantly a Conservative supporter due to the other parties being led by fools) back to voting for the Party.

So turning Labour into a Socially backwards and isolationist mess, would cause you to vote for them? Sorry, there's nothing radical about economic Corporatism, Social Conservatism, absurd isolationism, and anti European rhetoric. If Labour went back to their "radical tradition" they'd become neo-Marxian Socialist internationalists, they wouldn't turn to bloody blue Labour.

You just sound like a closeted Bnp voter.

Sure. If you take the racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia out of the BNP, I'm definitely a closet supporter.

[Ifreann]

So turning Labour into a Socially backwards and isolationist mess, would cause you to vote for them? Sorry, there's nothing radical about economic Corporatism, Social Conservatism, absurd isolationism, and anti European rhetoric. If Labour went back to their "radical tradition" they'd become neo-Marxian Socialist internationalists, they wouldn't turn to bloody blue Labour.

You just sound like a closeted Bnp voter.

Sure. If you take the racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia out of the BNP, I'm definitely a closet supporter.

But then...what would be left?

[Dejanic]

Sure. If you take the racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia out of the BNP, I'm definitely a closet supporter.

But then...what would be left?

Anti-immigration policies, isolationism from Europe and the World, and really odd social corporatist economic policies.

Blue Labour, really. Blue Labour is just BNP without the outright racism, homophobia, etc. Same silly social conservatism, same corporatist economics, same isolationism. Blue Labour is an attempt to win back the mythical "racist worker who doesn't know any better" from the ebul fascist Bnp.

They basically just took the economic centrist and social "liberalism" of New Labour, and switched it on its ugly head. Personally, I'd rather Labour just support centre-left Social Democracy, instead of any of these ugly radical trends. Blue Labour, New Labour, the Socialist campaign group, fuck em all.

[Nervium]

So... Are there actually still people in Labour who call themselves socialists? I hope not.

Yes.

The Fabians, I would imagine.

[Dejanic]

So... Are there actually still people in Labour who call themselves socialists? I hope not.

Yes.

The Fabians, I would imagine.

Meh, the Fabians are just patronising champagne drinkers, I don't know what I'd call them ideologically tbh ,but they generally support a mixed economy now a days.

There's two main Socialist groupings in the Labour party really. There's the democratic Socialist lot, who are represented by the "Socialist campaign group" in parliament. And then you have the revolutionary Marxist/Communist faction, which is pretty small, and represented by the "Socialist Appeal" an entryist group.

There's quite a lot of Democratic Socialists in the Labour party, especially at the ground level.

[Greater-London]

Blue Labour is pretty awful imo, guild Socialism/Corporatism, Social Conservatism, "anti globalisation", foreign isolationism, and anti welfare? No thanks. Blue Labour is basically just an awful reaction to the Centrism of Blairism, it just went wrong somewhere.

To be fair I wouldn't call Blue Labour Socially Conservative; its simply not the social liberalism we had under Brown/Blair and now Cameron. I wouldn't even call it anti-welfare, A reduction in the current welfare bill isn't strictly "anti welfare". People in the Blue Labour camp would argue that their returning to the initial intentions of the post war settlement.

I don't actually have a problem with Blue Labour per se (although it's not something I would choose) there is certainty a place for it.

[The UK in Exile]

Not every policy needs to designed with the explicit intent of triggering a massive and inexorable landslide for Labour.

It's the policies seemingly designed to trigger the massive and inexorable defeat of Labour that object to.

The little clique of pinkists sitting at the of the Labour Party don't seem to realize that the British people are far to the left of any major party.

Because they aren't.

[European Socialist Republic]

It's the policies seemingly designed to trigger the massive and inexorable defeat of Labour that object to.

The little clique of pinkists sitting at the of the Labour Party don't seem to realize that the British people are far to the left of any major party.

Because they aren't.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/left-wing-pric ... oll-519684

[The UK in Exile]

Because they aren't.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/left-wing-pric ... oll-519684

Yet they vote conservative anyway.