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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:02 pm

Estope wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:It equals that organism having human DNA. A cancer cell is an organism having human DNA. Is it a human being?


No. It is neither man nor women, which we stated previously was a prerequisite for the definition of a human being.

And neither is a fetus.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:02 pm


Their logic is false.
You don't have a right to life unconditionally.
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Postby Estrain (Ancient) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:02 pm

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I politely read this until I reached the part
"Slavery and abortion are the same"
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Maybe the pro-life people in congress should treat homosexuals as humans?

I'm glad I didn't read more than the first three points. WOW.
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Postby Estrain (Ancient) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:03 pm

Okay, so like medically speaking fetuses are just not humans. They're just not.
Even if they were, doesn't matter, because bodily autonomy trumps their "life."
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:03 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I mean adoption is basically getting rid of your child so lmfao

Its a loving act.... as opposed to killing it. Its giving the child a chance to live and experience life as opposed to terminating it.

It's a perfectly acceptable act...
When and only when the pregnant person chooses it.
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Postby UED » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:03 pm

Estrain wrote:
UED wrote:
I politely read this until I reached the part
"Slavery and abortion are the same"
........

Maybe the pro-life people in congress should treat homosexuals as humans?

I'm glad I didn't read more than the first three points. WOW.


Here's another pro-life reasoning, this time a comic
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Postby Estrain (Ancient) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:04 pm

UED wrote:
Estrain wrote:I'm glad I didn't read more than the first three points. WOW.


Here's another pro-life reasoning, this time a comic
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What is with white peoples obsession with comparing things to slavery? You know what was like slavery? SLAVERY and that's it.
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Postby Myara » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

UED wrote:


I politely read this until I reached the part
"Slavery and abortion are the same"
........

Maybe the pro-life people in congress should treat homosexuals as humans?


I missed that part, and I agree, homosexuals are definitely humans.

Mavorpen wrote:

It's not even cited.

You're not even trying anymore, are you?


To be honest, I only read the first few points, my laptop was dying and I was... uh.... Let's just say I could not get to my charger.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

UED wrote:
Estrain wrote:I'm glad I didn't read more than the first three points. WOW.


Here's another pro-life reasoning, this time a comic
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holy shit if you believe this in any way there is literally no hope for you
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

UED wrote:
Estrain wrote:I'm glad I didn't read more than the first three points. WOW.


Here's another pro-life reasoning, this time a comic
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holy shit if you believe this in any way there is literally no hope for you
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Postby UED » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

This pro-life comic labels pro-choice people as aligned with the pro-slavery faction in the 1800s. The pro-life faction in congress is using careful words to say how we are treating the fetuses like how we treated the slaves, completely ignoring what the pro-life faction in congress treats homosexuals, but the homosexual part is for another story.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

Something interesting I found. The woman known by the pseudonym 'Jane Roe' (Roe vs Wade) has turned pro-life.
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Postby Evraim » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:05 pm

Hallo Island wrote:How many women are opposed to abortion? Significantly less than there are men opposed to abortion. Is this a coincidence? I doubt it.

Irrelevant. This constitutes a logical fallacy in any case. The presumption here is that people should have a stake on those issues which most concern them, without regard to the morality of their policy decisions. It's an absurd argument, especially if one believes that fetuses should possess any rights.

Hallo Island wrote:Most people that oppose abortion, oppose it because of their religion, Christianity.

Incorrect. They oppose it because they believe that fetuses should be entitled to human rights. Christianity may factor into their perspective, but it is by no means the sole determinant. In fact, I would argue the pro-life movement emerges necessarily from liberalism as opposed to Christianity.

Hallo Island wrote:Do you know what else is forbidden by Christianity? Masturbation. What if all religious females opposed male masturbation? Exactly. It would be an outrage.

It's not a religious argument, so this point is moot.

Hallo Island wrote:What if they tried to make male masturbation illegal? The point is, your genitals are nobody else's business. You are a politician, not a gynecologist.

Human rights are everybody's business. The question is whether fetuses are deserving of human rights or not. There are decent arguments against the pro-life movement, some of which I support, but this isn't one of them.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:06 pm

Estrain wrote:
UED wrote:
Here's another pro-life reasoning, this time a comic
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What is with white peoples obsession with comparing things to slavery? You know what was like slavery? SLAVERY and that's it.

Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.
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Postby Estrain (Ancient) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:07 pm

Viritica wrote:Something interesting I found. The woman known by the pseudonym 'Jane Roe' (Roe vs Wade) has turned pro-life.

You literally sited a pro-life propaganda website that has people who have assassinated and attempted to assassinate abortion providers. What a fail, wow.
Also, even if she did, which I doubt, that doesn't change the outcome of that case nor the right to abortion.
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Postby Evraim » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:07 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Estrain wrote:What is with white peoples obsession with comparing things to slavery? You know what was like slavery? SLAVERY and that's it.

Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.

I think you're higher in the food chain than a fetus, right? ;)

Estrain wrote:You literally sited a pro-life propaganda website that has people who have assassinated and attempted to assassinate abortion providers. What a fail, wow.
Also, even if she did, which I doubt, that doesn't change the outcome of that case nor the right to abortion.

I believe she did alter her stance, but, as you pointed out, it is irrelevant to the case or to the argument about whether someone should have the right to abort a fetus.
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Postby UED » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.

I think you're higher in the food chain than a fetus, right? ;)


Depends on what the white hierarchy of old men thinks.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm

Evraim wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.

I think you're higher in the food chain than a fetus, right? ;)

I'd like to see a fetus take away my prey from me.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm

Estrain wrote:
Viritica wrote:Something interesting I found. The woman known by the pseudonym 'Jane Roe' (Roe vs Wade) has turned pro-life.

You literally sited a pro-life propaganda website that has people who have assassinated and attempted to assassinate abortion providers. What a fail, wow.
Also, even if she did, which I doubt, that doesn't change the outcome of that case nor the right to abortion.

I mean, if you want you can see the commercial for yourself.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MUUvcvjEg
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Postby Vazdania » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:09 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Estrain wrote:What is with white peoples obsession with comparing things to slavery? You know what was like slavery? SLAVERY and that's it.

Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.

Slavery was perpetuated by the concept of legal personhood. Abortion is perpetuated by the concept of legal personhood.
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Postby Estope » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:09 pm

Viritica wrote:Something interesting I found. The woman known by the pseudonym 'Jane Roe' (Roe vs Wade) has turned pro-life.


She actually turned pro-life. Can you imagine being her daughter and thinking, my mom went all the way to the Supreme Court to try and kill me before I was born? Try to look at this issue from a personal point of view. Talking about fetuses using only scientific terms and never really giving them the unique human identity that they have makes abortion seem less bad than it really is.
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Postby Evraim » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:09 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Evraim wrote:I think you're higher in the food chain than a fetus, right? ;)

I'd like to see a fetus take away my prey from me.

You mean liberal heathens don't view fetuses are their prey?

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:09 pm

UED wrote:This pro-life comic labels pro-choice people as aligned with the pro-slavery faction in the 1800s. The pro-life faction in congress is using careful words to say how we are treating the fetuses like how we treated the slaves, completely ignoring what the pro-life faction in congress treats homosexuals, but the homosexual part is for another story.

I must have missed the part where slaves in America used bodies of women against their will.

I mean if you're going to compare something to slavery, let's compare forced birth. When you deny a woman the choice to her own body, you are telling her she has to right to make her own medical decisions, you are telling her that her body is no hers to use as she pleases, you are punishing her for using her body, you are forcing her to endure months of suffering, followed by hours or days of extreme pain, on top of the huge financial burden. Forced birth is far closer to slavery than choice.
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Postby Estrain (Ancient) » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:10 pm

Viritica wrote:
Estrain wrote:You literally sited a pro-life propaganda website that has people who have assassinated and attempted to assassinate abortion providers. What a fail, wow.
Also, even if she did, which I doubt, that doesn't change the outcome of that case nor the right to abortion.

I mean, if you want you can see the commercial for yourself.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MUUvcvjEg

Nice dodge of me saying you cited the website that you did, and also the part where I said that your anecdote means absolutely nothing... But good thing you provided that youtube video.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Yeah, I'd rather they stop putting me on the same level as a fetus.

Slavery was perpetuated by the concept of legal personhood. Abortion is perpetuated by the concept of legal personhood.

No, it's perpetuated by the concept of no one gets to use my goddamn body without my permission
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