ISIS plans larger empire than we thought

[Unicario]

Yes, but the Middle East has an impressive influence on US gas prices, as evidenced by the last 11 years, and then 1970s Gas Crisis. If ISIS did manage to win the support of most oil-exporting nations in the Middle East, you could see gas prices in the US skyrocket to beyond any worst-case-scenario type of level.

I see. Well, this is even more reason to switch to nuclear power then.

Quite. Abolish reliance on oil!

[Aravea]

Are you aware that the post was satire of Wind in the Willows' post that people should be discouraged from being Muslims?

I said all religions.

What is your cognitive malfunction Willow? One radical group does not make all religious people evil.

[Wind in the Willows]

I said all religions.

What is your cognitive malfunction Willow?

What's yours?

[Aravea]

What is your cognitive malfunction Willow?

What's yours?

Obsessive compulsive disorder and borderline paranoia.

[Pandeeria]

Let's go liberate their oil.

[Aravea]

Let's go liberate their oil.

Agreed and let's take their land while we're at it.

[Wind in the Willows]

What's yours?

Obsessive compulsive disorder and borderline paranoia.

Well, I don't have any.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Let's go liberate their oil.

Because that worked so well the first time.
I know you're joking, but still, it's funny.

[Aravea]

Obsessive compulsive disorder and borderline paranoia.

Well, I don't have any.

Sure you don't . If you're done with your insane troll logic maybe we can back to the matter at hand.

[Aravea]

Let's go liberate their oil.

Because that worked so well the first time.
I know you're joking, but still, it's funny.

Next to Vietnam Iraq is one of the biggest f**** mistakes the US made.

[Scomagia]

Well, I don't have any.

Sure you don't .

That's impolite and off topic. Maybe cut it out?

[Wind in the Willows]

Well, I don't have any.

Sure you don't .

Go on, explain.

[Aravea]

Sure you don't .

That's impolite and off topic. Maybe cut it out?

All right sorry then.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Because that worked so well the first time.
I know you're joking, but still, it's funny.

Next to Vietnam Iraq is one of the biggest f**** mistakes the US made.

Well that still remains to be seen. Hopefully Iraq will counterattack and stop these Savage Theocrats.

[Draica]

I say we follow Ron Paul's solution:

*snip*

I'l add to that, we've attempted "Stability" in the Mid east before, spent 10 years there attempting to ensure it's stable. When we pack up and say, "Alright, time for you guys to handle yourself" the region goes back into chaos! So, we can either spend another 10 years attempting to make the Middle east stable, or, stay the hell away and let it work out it's own problems. I choose the latter.

What makes you think that ISIS is going to be content to leave the US alone if and when it manages to overtake countries like Iraq and Syria?

I don't know, but that shouldn't be a basis to going to war. We "THOUGHT" IRAQ had WMDs, they didn't didn't they? That was a ploy to get in there. We can't go into the Mid east based off of assumptions. We've tried for the last 10-12 years to promote "stability," the moment we leave the region is thrown into chaos. What happened when we left Libya? Chaos. They will deal with insurgencies, only thing that changed is the Government.

Why can't the African union handle this? Why not Britian, france, etc? Why us?

[Pandeeria]

Let's go liberate their oil.

Agreed and let's take their land while we're at it.

No, worthless sand isn't in need of being liberated. But their oil and rubber? That's just begging for some help.

Let's go liberate their oil.

Because that worked so well the first time.
I know you're joking, but still, it's funny.

Trust me, this time American Freedomization cannot fail.

[Aushanit]

Because clearly we can isolate America from fluctuating oil prices. *nod nod*

You mean in terms of oil, you know that product that North Dakota or perhaps Texas which have created thousands of new jobs in both states, bolstered income and infact made one of the richest cities in America in North Dakota? Yeah, we should stop getting our oil overseas, fund drilling operations in America and build that Keystone pipeline. Maybe then we wouldn't have to worry about Iraq or the entire Mid east for that matter for economic support in any way, shape, or form. Maybe instead of spending billions in drilling over there, why not spend enough money to drill for our own natural gas/oil? One city of natural gas would employ more people than San Antonio, Austin, or El Paso. The natural gas industry supports nearly 12% of total employment in Texas, and contributes more than $100 billion to the Texas economy and even MORE to America's economy. It's a win-win.

But if you'd rather have our men and women continue to die so the Military Industiral complex and war profiteers can make money off of this conflict, then I suppose that's just alright. Not.

Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say it no one is putting boots in the ground even the Neo-Cons are against it. Plus this is nothing like 2003 Iraq or 1991 Iraq it's a similar situation to Afghanistan after the soviets left with a shit load of in fighting and the establishment of a terror state which lead to the event on 9/11 in the fact that the men were able to find shelter in the country and use it as a base of operation. This has everything to do with stopping the formation of a terror state that has the possibility to hide terrorist and allow them the ability to plan and train for anti-western attacks. A hell of a lot more people are going to die if we don't do something about this. If we work with the regional powers and provide air support we can effectively destroy this threat. If Operation Allied Force of anything to go off of we probably won't loss many forces with only about as only about 2 US soldiers died in that whole operation. One thing we need to fix from operation allied force is we need to better coordinate with ground force so our air strikes actually mean something.

I don't like as much as the next guy but this is for the greater good of the region, our allies, and the world to make sure a terror state can't be formed.

[Doitsu-san]

The ISIS claiming the title of a Caliphate is like a peasant claiming the title of a King. They are a fickle organization that has a hard time defeating the weakest and most unorganized nation in the region (Iraq), and are being driven out by Bashar Al-Assad in Syria. To further worsen their position, they have successfully managed to unite the whole region, and the whole world against them with their threats of a Middle Eastern Caliphate and worldwide jihad.

Them claiming the title of Caliphate will make it all the more sweeter when they are driven back into the gutters and sewers they came from.

Eugh, what?

ISIS are not having a hard team defeating the Iraqi forces. At all. The resistance they've met so far has been rather pathetic.
Assad's forces are retaking ground from the FSA, while ISIS are consolidating their position and are even advancing in some areas. Let's not forget that Assad is partly responsible for their rise in the first place.
Like I already said, their creation of a caliphate is bound to find them wealthy supporters from across the Middle East as it legitimises their aims.

Why are you so quick to laugh them off?

The Iraqis are managing to hold the lines, and will manage to do so for quite some time (they are a military, after all). Iran is sending material help to Iraq, and will most likely intervene if things really go to hell in Iraq. Syria is sending planes across the border, and will probably launch an assault on the ISIS after mopping up the weaker factions that divide the nation (like the FSA).

With the additional factor of the ISIS being a militia and having no ability to use tanks and aircraft, it is near impossible for the ISIS to take the whole of Iraq, and much less advance outside of it.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Agreed and let's take their land while we're at it.

No, worthless sand isn't in need of being liberated. But their oil and rubber? That's just begging for some help.

Because that worked so well the first time.
I know you're joking, but still, it's funny.

Trust me, this time American Freedomization cannot fail.

Well that would be true if "Democracy" was just a magic wand, that could get rid of all our problems.
But since it's not, "Freedomization" won't always work. Even if we go back there and "liberate" then again, it'll mean more wasted resources for us. And frankly, we have our own recession to deal with right now. Let Iraq deal with it themselves, we gave them enough weapons and training, if they can't handle those ISIL animals, that's on them.

[Aravea]

Doesn't most of our oil come from places that aren't in The Middle East?

Yes, but the Middle East has an impressive influence on US gas prices, as evidenced by the last 11 years, and then 1970s Gas Crisis. If ISIS did manage to win the support of most oil-exporting nations in the Middle East, you could see gas prices in the US skyrocket to beyond any worst-case-scenario type of level.

The odds of ISIS winning that kinda of support without an international outcry from the civilized world is as likely as Zombie Hitler dancing to Disco with Joseph Stalin.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Yes, but the Middle East has an impressive influence on US gas prices, as evidenced by the last 11 years, and then 1970s Gas Crisis. If ISIS did manage to win the support of most oil-exporting nations in the Middle East, you could see gas prices in the US skyrocket to beyond any worst-case-scenario type of level.

The odds of ISIS winning that kinda of support with an international outcry is as likely as Zombie Hitler dancing to Disco with Joseph Stalin.

So true.

[Pandeeria]

No, worthless sand isn't in need of being liberated. But their oil and rubber? That's just begging for some help.



Trust me, this time American Freedomization cannot fail.

Well that would be true if "Democracy" was just a magic wand, that could get rid of all our problems.
But since it's not, "Freedomization" won't always work. Even if we go back there and "liberate" then again, it'll mean more wasted resources for us. And frankly, we have our own recession to deal with right now. Let Iraq deal with it themselves, we gave them enough weapons and training, if they can't handle those ISIL animals, that's on them.

But American Freedomization cannot fail. It's the only way. *nods*

[Pandeeria]

Yes, but the Middle East has an impressive influence on US gas prices, as evidenced by the last 11 years, and then 1970s Gas Crisis. If ISIS did manage to win the support of most oil-exporting nations in the Middle East, you could see gas prices in the US skyrocket to beyond any worst-case-scenario type of level.

The odds of ISIS winning that kinda of support without an international outcry from the civilized world is as likely as Zombie Hitler dancing to Disco with Joseph Stalin.

Damn, those are some pretty good odds.

[United States of Natan]

So ISIS has declared a caliphate? I don't think any good will come from this.

It's a group deemed "too extreme" by Al Qu...Queda...Quada...something Turkalurkastanni, anyways...

If they are too extreme for those wackos, there is no possible good that can come from this.

Yeah, kinda like how even the KKK hates the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Draica]

You mean in terms of oil, you know that product that North Dakota or perhaps Texas which have created thousands of new jobs in both states, bolstered income and infact made one of the richest cities in America in North Dakota? Yeah, we should stop getting our oil overseas, fund drilling operations in America and build that Keystone pipeline. Maybe then we wouldn't have to worry about Iraq or the entire Mid east for that matter for economic support in any way, shape, or form. Maybe instead of spending billions in drilling over there, why not spend enough money to drill for our own natural gas/oil? One city of natural gas would employ more people than San Antonio, Austin, or El Paso. The natural gas industry supports nearly 12% of total employment in Texas, and contributes more than $100 billion to the Texas economy and even MORE to America's economy. It's a win-win.

But if you'd rather have our men and women continue to die so the Military Industiral complex and war profiteers can make money off of this conflict, then I suppose that's just alright. Not.

Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say it no one is putting boots in the ground even the Neo-Cons are against it. Plus this is nothing like 2003 Iraq or 1991 Iraq it's a similar situation to Afghanistan after the soviets left with a shit load of in fighting and the establishment of a terror state which lead to the event on 9/11 in the fact that the men were able to find shelter in the country and use it as a base of operation. This has everything to do with stopping the formation of a terror state that has the possibility to hide terrorist and allow them the ability to plan and train for anti-western attacks. A hell of a lot more people are going to die if we don't do something about this. If we work with the regional powers and provide air support we can effectively destroy this threat. If Operation Allied Force of anything to go off of we probably won't loss many forces with only about as only about 2 US soldiers died in that whole operation. One thing we need to fix from operation allied force is we need to better coordinate with ground force so our air strikes actually mean something.

I don't like as much as the next guy but this is for the greater good of the region, our allies, and the world to make sure a terror state can't be formed.

Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say it no one is putting boots in the ground even the Neo-Cons are against it. Plus this is nothing like 2003 Iraq or 1991 Iraq

Yeah, it's like Libya where we spent [url=Jesus Christ how many times do we have to say it no one is putting boots in the ground even the Neo-Cons are against it. Plus this is nothing like 2003 Iraq or 1991 Iraq]two billion[/url] dollars a day in fighting. Just a nice add to the deficit, there.

t's a similar situation to Afghanistan after the soviets left with a shit load of in fighting and the establishment of a terror state

Terrorist state? You mean the terrorists that our CIA trained up and prompted up to fight the Soviets(Al-Quada) and then used our own tactics on us and betrayed us? Even though we knew they were a radical islamist group who hated America? Them? I think we're partially to blame for that.

e which lead to the event on 9/11 in the fact that the men were able to find shelter in the country and use it as a base of operation

Yeah, the guys that spawned from spawns that we trained..

This has everything to do with stopping the formation of a terror state that has the possibility to hide terrorist and allow them the ability to plan and train for anti-western attacks.

But Terrorists can hide with or without a terrorist state supporting them. We can only ward them off for so long. They train for anti-western attacks with or without a terrorist state. The threat will be there regardless, with or without a terrorist state.

A hell of a lot more people are going to die if we don't do something about this.

We have been in the Mid east for 10-13 years attempt to promote stability with both air, naval and ground support. It helped for a bit, but once we left chaos ensured. The region can't be helped. It's an appeal to emotion to state that "OH THEY'RE GOING TO DIE SO WE NEED TO HELP THEM." America has it's purpose, it can't endlessly pour dollars into the Mid east for this dream of utopian stability.

If we work with the regional powers and provide air support we can effectively destroy this threat.

Why don't all regional powers work together and eliminate this threat? Why do we need to do it? This is their territory.

If Operation Allied Force of anything to go off of we probably won't loss many forces with only about as only about 2 US soldiers died in that whole operation. One thing we need to fix from operation allied force is we need to better coordinate with ground force so our air strikes actually mean something.

You're going off of assumption. it'd be scary to send our men into battle off of assumption..This is a different time and atmospehre from allied force. The U.S. coordinated with all of NATO in Libya and it still costed us 2 billion dollars per day, we ended up picking up the tab, like we always do. It's not worth us sending a nothing cent into the hellhole that is the Mid east, they should handle there own problems. It is cowardly when 30,000+ Iraqi soldiers run from under 900 millitants..That's pathetic. And you want to help that? What about when we leave?

I think we should stay out of it.