World Government

[Teh ebil mozlemz]

Would you support the existence of a world government with at least some power?

[New Manvir]

Can I be in charge?

[Burol]

Would you support the existence of a world government with at least some power?

Well, the UN has some power...

[Conserative Morality]

No. I don't believe that mankind can be effectively governed under one body, what with all the different cultures, religions, taboos, needs, etc.

[Lackadaisical2]

No. I don't believe that mankind can be effectively governed under one body, what with all the different cultures, religions, taboos, needs, etc.

this.

Too diverse for any singular government to have much meaning.

[The Archiepelago]

The only forms you can have to effectively rule with power is either a Empire or Dictatorship. At least the Dictator or Emperor can control what happens as long as they're smart with their power.

[Cameroi]

governing is the wrong concept. coordinating and representing in OUTSIDE negotiations is the right one.

i neither support nor oppose any government in any form at any level.
world government in some form is a near inevitability.

we need to be thinking about what we want it to do and be able to do and to not do and be.
and not be expecting miracles from brand name flavors of ideology either.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

No. I don't believe that mankind can be effectively governed under one body, what with all the different cultures, religions, taboos, needs, etc.

At least not yet. We still have too much nationalistic, racial and religious baggage. Maybe someday though.

[The WA Chief Secretary]

I'll be in charge

[Kanabia]

I'm gonna go with "maybe". Some sort of decentralised representative body to arbitrate disputes and coordinate disaster relief and the like is a good idea in principle...sounds familiar, doesn't it?

The only forms you can have to effectively rule with power is either a Empire or Dictatorship. At least the Dictator or Emperor can control what happens as long as they're smart with their power.

Strongly centralised governments as in the above case tend to be greatly inefficient when applied to large scales.

[Conserative Morality]

At least not yet. We still have too much nationalistic, racial and religious baggage. Maybe someday though.

That's a pretty big maybe, but it certainly is possible.

[Emergent Quality]

That's a pretty big maybe, but it certainly is possible.

What is important is that we treat the people as one.

[Urstania]

Basically i believe that everything you see, do, experience is your OWN UNIQUE BODILY EXPERIENCE OF LIFE

So I dont believe its natural to have some external set of moral codes or laws dictating to you how your interact with the space you happen to inhabit while your on this planet.

Basically what we need to do is abolish the concept of control over another individual. one LIFE is just as valuable as the NEXT LIFE
Everybody should be the master of thier OWN destiny we should be able to descover what is right and what is wrong without anybody imposing thier will over us

So ANARCHISM Is how the world should be in the future.

I dont want some establishment laying down some laws that im expected to follow or be punished, they dont even know me, leaders send armies of people to kill each other without even knowing the person they are killing. We just have to remember to "Live and let live" and allow everybody to enjoy thier own experience of what life is independent of any external pressure.

everytime you think for yourself, independent of any external authority that is an act of anarchism. If every moment of your life was made up of total independent thought you can create your own version of what is "Normal" there is NO SUCH THING AS RIGHT OR WRONG everyone has a different perception.
So if somebody wants to have sex on the roof of some buildings in the middle of town or in a public toilet or spend thier life naked reading poetry in public we should be open minded and tolerant and they should NOT have to worry about being prosecuted for "Indecent exposure" if thats what they want to do with thier life they should be permitted.

Imagine a world where everyone lived everyday as if it was thier last and that a world full of monotony, boredom and respect to an authority was what we dont want that is the world I hope to one day see and now imagine the world as it presently stands full of monotony, boredom and respect to someone elses will!"

Once upon a time almost everyone believed in the existence of god. This god ruled over the world, he had absolute power over everything in it. and he had set down laws which all human beings had to obey. If they did not they would suffer the most terrible punishments at his hands. Naturally most people obeyed the laws as well as they could, their fear of external suffering being stronger than thier desire for anything 'forbidden'. Because everyone lived according to the same laws they agreed upon what "morality" was: it was the set of values decreed by god's laws. Thus, good and evil, right and wrong, were decided by the authority of god which everyonbe accepted out of fear.
One day people began to wake up and realise that there was no such thing as god. There was no hard evidence to demonstrate his existence and few people could see any point in having faith in the irrational anylonger. God pretty much dissapeared from the world and nobody feared him or his punishments anymore. But a strange thing happened. Though these people had the courage to question god's existence and even they deny it to the ones that still believe in it they didnt dare question the morality that HIS laws had mandated. Perhaps it just didnt occur to them. Everyone had been raised to hold the same beliefs about what was moral, normal and had come to speak about right and wrong. Weather god was there to enforce it or not something external still dicated to the people about how they should live thier lives. They were afraid to even consider the possability that the laws didnt exist any more then god did.
This has left humanity at an unusual possition.... Im hoping people come to this realization and begin to take thier life into thier own hands

What do you do in your free time? are you creative? do you like painting, making movies, hanging out with friends. Those times are the most precious times you cant put a price on them but for some reason be have put a price on them for something called Money and currency we toil for xx ammount of hours a day. If there is enough food in this world and resources in this world for everybody why shouldnt it just be free and open? instead obstacles are put up and we allow people the power to manage those obstacles and make rules that the rest of us have to work with and they end up profiting from it and then you have an establishment where one person's life have more value over another's. We just need to re-descover respect to eachother.

And dont even try the whole "Without a government and laws everyone would kill eachother!" that argument is dead
how can you claim we need a government to stop mass bloodshed when governments are responsible for the worst mass bloodsheds in human history. 70 million people dieing at the hands of the Chinese government in the 50's through to the 70's, world war 2 killed 56 million people. thats what happens when we allow other individuals to impose thier will on another. so we should abolish all forms of power and a new order will naturally occur.

Just consider anarchism an approach to your everyday life; non intervention and non judgement and each to thier own, live and let live sort of attitude in everybody's affairs and not imposing your will on another individual and eventually when a certain percentage of the population believe and think this then we will reach the point of critical mass where eventually society start's adapting to this new way of thinking. This process has been going on since the beginning of this civilization era where we once had slavery and brutality, executions but more and more people are starting to believe its not thier right to judge or impose thier will on another being and life is what YOU individually make of it, unique for you! and now were in a world where there is more freedom then ever

The Process is still continueing but I want to see a society with no masters in my life time. So if you took the time to read this and feel inspired to join a movement of absolute liberation look into this and see what anarchism is? make your own judgements.

If you dont think it could work just look as Anarcho-syndicalism during the spanish civil war. there are a few documentaries on youtube about it and the Yugoslav city of Fiume which declared independence after world war 1 and was basically an anarchist state for 18 months where arts and culture flourished and fire works were held everynight and free concerts on the streets but unfortunatly supporters of the establishment and the usual spoilsports ruined it for everyone and franco took over spain and the italians sent in armed ships in Fiume.

[Kingdom Brittania]

That would be opposed by some nations especially because they wanted to govern themselves not by a form of a World Senate...

[The Great Lord Tiger]

And dont even try the whole "Without a government and laws everyone would kill eachother!" that argument is dead
how can you claim we need a government to stop mass bloodshed when governments are responsible for the worst mass bloodsheds in human history. 70 million people dieing at the hands of the Chinese government in the 50's through to the 70's, world war 2 killed 56 million people. thats what happens when we allow other individuals to impose thier will on another. so we should abolish all forms of power and a new order will naturally occur.

Right, anarchy kills many fewer people. Just ask all the child soldiers in Africa.

Before you start making claims that 'an argument is dead', try to provide warrants for that point, not pointless facts. By your logic, you shouldn't have a computer, as computers have been used in military applications; no car, because wheeled vehicles have served in military service; no internet, television, telephones, or satellites, as all have contributed to death; no house, because it's been proven that most of the worst and most violent murders occur in houses --

The last point, I think, rather succinctly tells you what's wrong with your argument.

Cite your 'facts', or else quit with your misguided ranting, please.

PS: World War II? We allowed someone to 'impose their will on another'? Yeah, bullshit. It's only thanks to the alliance of GOVERNMENTS and a dedicated military body (a government institution) that prevented that imposition.

[Coffin-Breathe]

came to late...

[Coffin-Breathe]

Right, anarchy kills many fewer people. Just ask all the child soldiers in Africa.

no reply, `cause it seems you´re not having any clues to the meaning of "anarchy" or "anarchosyndicalism"...get them first, please, read up if interested, then come back for the debate of "no power for no one"...

[The Great Lord Tiger]

Right, anarchy kills many fewer people. Just ask all the child soldiers in Africa.

no reply, `cause it seems you´re not having any clues to the meaning of "anarchy" or "anarchosyndicalism"...get them first, please, read up if interested, then come back for the debate of "no power for no one"...

Oh, I'm sorry, did you have something to say?

No, no, before you go on:

Who do you think maintains roads? Okay, fine, let's assume the big mean government disappears, but roads remain. Who's to stop people driving over the speed limit, or drinking and driving, killing people? (oh, wait, I thought anarchy improved things?) People can ignore streetlights if they want. Hell, they might have to -- power goes down when you don't have a structured system for the production and distribution of electricity. Not that the electric plants could work anyway -- lack of maintenance on the railways means that, within years, it'll be far too dangerous for coal trains to haul fuel to power plants. But that's okay, right? "No power for no one", indeed.

And people won't commit crime with anarchy? Is that what you really think? So crimes of passion will no longer exist, people won't go on psychotic rampages, all of that will stop in honor of the amazing new system? But wait! Those rampagers are eventually stopped by cops, right? No more cops. Guess civilians will have to step in, risking their lives unwillingly. And by the way, how do all of these civilians have weapons? There's no longer firearm registration -- so, what, just go to a cornerstore and pick up a couple pistols as a birthday present for your friends? What a pal.

I feel sorry for anarchists who delude themselves into thinking that such a system would stop war. Would it? How would that stop the feelings of greed and desire that breed in the hearts of some people? And how do you keep those people from imposing harm on the society? You can't lock them up -- municipal jails won't exist anymore. Your ideas all float on the concept that everyone in the world shares your values of greed being non-inherent. Incorrect. If that were the case, the concept of 'property' wouldn't exist in the first place.

Oh, and out of curiosity: Why would warlords, who desire domination over people and territory, care that governments don't exist? Hell, that would make their job easier, because there would be noone to stand in their way.

Warlord-controlled parts of Africa ARE anarchies. There is no central government, no semblance of order.. Don't try to pretend that it isn't REALLY anarchy because its grim truth is outside your fantasy.

[Tubbsalot]

If you dont think it could work just look as Anarcho-syndicalism during the spanish civil war. there are a few documentaries on youtube about it and the Yugoslav city of Fiume which declared independence after world war 1 and was basically an anarchist state for 18 months where arts and culture flourished and fire works were held everynight and free concerts on the streets but unfortunatly supporters of the establishment and the usual spoilsports ruined it for everyone and franco took over spain and the italians sent in armed ships in Fiume.

Yes, my favoured system also happens to be a magical utopia where everyone is always happy and there is no such thing as divorce or fighting or hate.

I also like how, when the whole thing collapses like the unworkable mess it is, that is just an "unfortunate" occurrence and has nothing to do with the inherent weaknesses of anarchy.

[Urstania]

Right, anarchy kills many fewer people. Just ask all the child soldiers in Africa.

Before you start making claims that 'an argument is dead', try to provide warrants for that point, not pointless facts. By your logic, you shouldn't have a computer, as computers have been used in military applications; no car, because wheeled vehicles have served in military service; no internet, television, telephones, or satellites, as all have contributed to death; no house, because it's been proven that most of the worst and most violent murders occur in houses --

The last point, I think, rather succinctly tells you what's wrong with your argument.

Cite your 'facts', or else quit with your misguided ranting, please.

PS: World War II? We allowed someone to 'impose their will on another'? Yeah, bullshit. It's only thanks to the alliance of GOVERNMENTS and a dedicated military body (a government institution) that prevented that imposition

Anarchy is the idea no one has power over me, I am my own person I know what I need to do and live and I dont need anybody telling me how to live. Here you are saying I should have this and that if I was a true anarchist. well you dont know what anarchism is then I dont want to be apart of a movement if I cant do this and that. Every human should be the master of thier own destiny every human should be thier own leader so be an anarchist your dont have to live like a nun! its what you feel rewarding you go with it. When you have a party and you invite your friends over, some provide, drinks, food entertainment and you all have a great time with no concept of ownership as you all eat from the same bowl of chips, have a fun game of singstar. There is no concept of ownership or conflict just humans living life having fun co-operating and contributing what they can to make it bigger and better for everyone. if you have people that have sex with anybody they meet or a girl who doesnt shave her legs its about non intervention in thier life, letting them decide what is right and wrong allowing them to descover any truth without any judgement cause who am I to impose my values or will on them and they think the same as me. If everyone was open minded and tolerant or everybody elses lifestyle.

Anyway thats just my opinion using popular initiative I freely said what I wanted to without any external thing telling me what I can and cant do. So yeah you telling me I cant have this or that cause its "not Anarchist" is not what the movement is about. the movement is not about living like a nun its about the freedom to descover any truth independently without any external interference LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT

By the way I think my views are embryonic seeing as ive only starting reading up on and watchings documentaries on the subject since a few months ago

[Emergent Quality]

When there is nothing but partying the land will go uncultivated and the state will be dismembered.

[The Great Lord Tiger]

Right, anarchy kills many fewer people. Just ask all the child soldiers in Africa.

Before you start making claims that 'an argument is dead', try to provide warrants for that point, not pointless facts. By your logic, you shouldn't have a computer, as computers have been used in military applications; no car, because wheeled vehicles have served in military service; no internet, television, telephones, or satellites, as all have contributed to death; no house, because it's been proven that most of the worst and most violent murders occur in houses --

The last point, I think, rather succinctly tells you what's wrong with your argument.

Cite your 'facts', or else quit with your misguided ranting, please.

PS: World War II? We allowed someone to 'impose their will on another'? Yeah, bullshit. It's only thanks to the alliance of GOVERNMENTS and a dedicated military body (a government institution) that prevented that imposition

Anarchy is the idea no one has power over me, I am my own person I know what I need to do and live and I dont need anybody telling me how to live. Here you are saying I should have this and that if I was a true anarchist. well you dont know what anarchism is then I dont want to be apart of a movement if I cant do this and that. Every human should be the master of thier own destiny every human should be thier own leader so be an anarchist your dont have to live like a nun! its what you feel rewarding you go with it. When you have a party and you invite your friends over, some provide, drinks, food entertainment and you all have a great time with no concept of ownership as you all eat from the same bowl of chips, have a fun game of singstar. There is no concept of ownership or conflict just humans living life having fun co-operating and contributing what they can to make it bigger and better for everyone. if you have people that have sex with anybody they meet or a girl who doesnt shave her legs its about non intervention in thier life, letting them decide what is right and wrong allowing them to descover any truth without any judgement cause who am I to impose my values or will on them and they think the same as me. If everyone was open minded and tolerant or everybody elses lifestyle.

Anyway thats just my opinion using popular initiative I freely said what I wanted to without any external thing telling me what I can and cant do. So yeah you telling me I cant have this or that cause its "not Anarchist" is not what the movement is about. the movement is not about living like a nun its about the freedom to descover any truth independently without any external interference LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT

By the way I think my views are embryonic seeing as ive only starting reading up on and watchings documentaries on the subject since a few months ago

Read my latest post.

The whole 'follow your dreams' tagline might work if it weren't necessary for some people to contribute towards the overall maintenance of the things you seriously seem to take for granted. There won't be chips. There won't be Singstar. The distribution of these luxuries is wholly dependent on someone entering a corporation, where they WILL have a boss, and be told what to deliver where at what time. This is one of the inherent flaws with anarchy, at least the "no one is my boss" branch -- pretty much any luxury made after the 1900s is something that you can't have, not and remain faithful to your vision.

[Urstania]

No, no, before you go on:

Who do you think maintains roads? Okay, fine, let's assume the big mean government disappears, but roads remain. Who's to stop people driving over the speed limit, or drinking and driving, killing people? (oh, wait, I thought anarchy improved things?) People can ignore streetlights if they want. Hell, they might have to -- power goes down when you don't have a structured system for the production and distribution of electricity. Not that the electric plants could work anyway -- lack of maintenance on the railways means that, within years, it'll be far too dangerous for coal trains to haul fuel to power plants. But that's okay, right? "No power for no one", indeed.

And people won't commit crime with anarchy? Is that what you really think? So crimes of passion will no longer exist, people won't go on psychotic rampages, all of that will stop in honor of the amazing new system? But wait! Those rampagers are eventually stopped by cops, right? No more cops. Guess civilians will have to step in, risking their lives unwillingly. And by the way, how do all of these civilians have weapons? There's no longer firearm registration -- so, what, just go to a cornerstore and pick up a couple pistols as a birthday present for your friends? What a pal.

I feel sorry for anarchists who delude themselves into thinking that such a system would stop war. Would it? How would that stop the feelings of greed and desire that breed in the hearts of some people? And how do you keep those people from imposing harm on the society? You can't lock them up -- municipal jails won't exist anymore. Your ideas all float on the concept that everyone in the world shares your values of greed being non-inherent. Incorrect. If that were the case, the concept of 'property' wouldn't exist in the first place.

Oh, and out of curiosity: Why would warlords, who desire domination over people and territory, care that governments don't exist? Hell, that would make their job easier, because there would be noone to stand in their way.

Warlord-controlled parts of Africa ARE anarchies. There is no central government, no semblance of order.. Don't try to pretend that it isn't REALLY anarchy because its grim truth is outside your fantasy.

So do you believe humans are inherently evil? that humans are so bloodthirsty that laws are the only things stopping people from killing themselves? We have laws banning murder but it doesnt stop murder does it? there are fuckwits in any system but whats to say absolute freedom wouldnt produce a better world?

How did you enjoy your chirstmas? did you have a big family gathering? did you all pool resources together and make a big meal for everyone to enjoy. I went to the beach with my family, set up badmington had some booze and everyone did thier part to co-operate in making a good thing. Me and my sister didint mind if anybody wanted to use the badmington set. we said hi to everyone, everyone was getting along enjoying themselves, If life was made up of those moments and if a child was born in a life like that everyday its a day you can be proud off and find truly rewarding.

Do you have any dreams? perhaps you wanted to be a film maker, an actor, artist, singer, mechanic, cook? in an anarchist society if anything was free and open nothing would stop you from reaching your dreams. Budding singers could organize open mic concerts in a stadium owned by the people, people could freely broadcast on a pirate radio station anything they wanted, film makers could have the resources they need and budding actors would have a movie to star in no matter what they looked at. Its about mutual appreciation and respect for everyone's dreams and aspirations

If I hear shitty music I know that some people like it and I can appreciate what the artist has put into it but its just my perception and preference that its not my type of music. I asked my work mate that in an anarchist society what would he want to do with his spare time he said he would just like to work on cars all day long. so anybody with car problems can freely go to someone who is passionate about fixing cars. he can put in what he loves and take out what he needs.
My grandad loved making home brew perhaps I could of learn that skill. and if we get our booze for free then we can freely take it into a restaurant and drink it without having to buy thier alcohol. anybody could reach any dream they wanted to without any external restrictions.

Why cant life be made up of rewarding spontaneous moments? do you feel you need someone to tell you how to live your life?

Anarchism is the idea that no one is more qualified then YOU ARE to tell you how to live your life

[The Great Lord Tiger]

No, no, before you go on:

Who do you think maintains roads? Okay, fine, let's assume the big mean government disappears, but roads remain. Who's to stop people driving over the speed limit, or drinking and driving, killing people? (oh, wait, I thought anarchy improved things?) People can ignore streetlights if they want. Hell, they might have to -- power goes down when you don't have a structured system for the production and distribution of electricity. Not that the electric plants could work anyway -- lack of maintenance on the railways means that, within years, it'll be far too dangerous for coal trains to haul fuel to power plants. But that's okay, right? "No power for no one", indeed.

And people won't commit crime with anarchy? Is that what you really think? So crimes of passion will no longer exist, people won't go on psychotic rampages, all of that will stop in honor of the amazing new system? But wait! Those rampagers are eventually stopped by cops, right? No more cops. Guess civilians will have to step in, risking their lives unwillingly. And by the way, how do all of these civilians have weapons? There's no longer firearm registration -- so, what, just go to a cornerstore and pick up a couple pistols as a birthday present for your friends? What a pal.

I feel sorry for anarchists who delude themselves into thinking that such a system would stop war. Would it? How would that stop the feelings of greed and desire that breed in the hearts of some people? And how do you keep those people from imposing harm on the society? You can't lock them up -- municipal jails won't exist anymore. Your ideas all float on the concept that everyone in the world shares your values of greed being non-inherent. Incorrect. If that were the case, the concept of 'property' wouldn't exist in the first place.

Oh, and out of curiosity: Why would warlords, who desire domination over people and territory, care that governments don't exist? Hell, that would make their job easier, because there would be noone to stand in their way.

Warlord-controlled parts of Africa ARE anarchies. There is no central government, no semblance of order.. Don't try to pretend that it isn't REALLY anarchy because its grim truth is outside your fantasy.

So do you believe humans are inherently evil? that humans are so bloodthirsty that laws are the only things stopping people from killing themselves? We have laws banning murder but it doesnt stop murder does it? there are fuckwits in any system but whats to say absolute freedom wouldnt produce a better world?

How did you enjoy your chirstmas? did you have a big family gathering? did you all pool resources together and make a big meal for everyone to enjoy. I went to the beach with my family, set up badmington had some booze and everyone did thier part to co-operate in making a good thing. Me and my sister didint mind if anybody wanted to use the badmington set. we said hi to everyone, everyone was getting along enjoying themselves, If life was made up of those moments and if a child was born in a life like that everyday its a day you can be proud off and find truly rewarding.

Do you have any dreams? perhaps you wanted to be a film maker, an actor, artist, singer, mechanic, cook? in an anarchist society if anything was free and open nothing would stop you from reaching your dreams. Budding singers could organize open mic concerts in a stadium owned by the people, people could freely broadcast on a pirate radio station anything they wanted, film makers could have the resources they need and budding actors would have a movie to star in no matter what they looked at. Its about mutual appreciation and respect for everyone's dreams and aspirations

If I hear shitty music I know that some people like it and I can appreciate what the artist has put into it but its just my perception and preference that its not my type of music. I asked my work mate that in an anarchist society what would he want to do with his spare time he said he would just like to work on cars all day long. so anybody with car problems can freely go to someone who is passionate about fixing cars. he can put in what he loves and take out what he needs.
My grandad loved making home brew perhaps I could of learn that skill. and if we get our booze for free then we can freely take it into a restaurant and drink it without having to buy thier alcohol. anybody could reach any dream they wanted to without any external restrictions.

Why cant life be made up of rewarding spontaneous moments? do you feel you need someone to tell you how to live your life?

Anarchism is the idea that no one is more qualified then YOU ARE to tell you how to live your life

Who runs the restaurants?

Who drills oil, and then refines it into gasoline, so you have cars to work on?

Who builds electronics so that you can listen to the music you always wanted to make?

How does electricity come about?

"Stadium owned by the people"? That contains the concept of property. It isn't allowed.

I didn't say inherently EVIL. I said inherently greedy, insofar as the concept of taking what we want that isn't ours exists. It's the very best circular logic that I like to present anarchists with: You say greed is a product of growing up in a society with the concept of property, and wealth. How did the idea of property come about in the first place?

And you never answered this: What about crimes of passion? Or committed by people with mental instabilities?

[Emergent Quality]

If I hear shitty music I know that some people like it and I can appreciate what the artist has put into it but its just my perception and preference that its not my type of music.

So most music will be shitty.

I asked my work mate that in an anarchist society what would he want to do with his spare time he said he would just like to work on cars all day long. so anybody with car problems can freely go to someone who is passionate about fixing cars. he can put in what he loves and take out what he needs.

Your room mate is already a step ahead of you. He fixes things; you allow them to become broken.
Here's an idea. Give me the car; you can work your roommates fields.