Discuss: Teens and drugs

[Kelinfort]

Why are you telling me this? You're bragging that you did an illegal activity and gave it to the so called "classmates" that asked you for it. That's nothing to brag about.

I'm not bragging I'm just pointing out a flaw in the system.There will always be that kid who looks like 5 years older then every other kid and if that wasn't bad enough you will always have a liquor store that isn't making enough money so they sell to kids.If you can stop the liquor stores from selling to kids then you win the battle.

The system we currently have is much better than the one in place during prohibition.

[Anollasia]

It's a sad occurrence. Not much else I can say.

[Asasia]

Perhaps that logic was irrenous, but Children would still be able to get Weed, albeit more easily. They can get cigarettes more easily, hell, they can get alcohol more easily now that they're "legalized."

It is currently easier for minors to get weed than alcohol.

I disagree but in my area it's easier to get meth than aderall.

[Daenemark]

It's fine to try drugs once or twice. I'm 17, btw.



How about not, because that's annoying. School is for school, not testing health.



Marijuana, acid/lsd, and ecstasy should be legalized for people 18+.

1. No, it's not "fine" to try drugs once or twice. Espescially not Cocaine, that shit, in alot of cases, messes you up on the first try. Weed also hinders the pre-frontal cortex if you try it "once or twice."

So? I've done it, and many people I know have done it, and we're fine.

Vague claims about how dangerous something is(!!!) when it's really not aren't going to get you anywhere.

And your age is irrelevant, it's obvious that most teens have the mindset that attempting to send your mind into a hallcinagenic state is "OK." It's not.

boring, honestly. life is meant to be lived, not freaked out about.

2. Your right, school is for school. Then kids shouldn't be selling drugs to other kids at school, now should they?

There's police at schools.

3. We're talking about adolescents here...But I still disagree.

Why? Some drugs are really bad, but the ones I listed only harm people in the very long run (barring overdose for the last two). Someone might have a bad reaction, but that's why legalizing and regulating them would be helpful.

Drugs aren't going away, so you might as well do what you can to fix issues associated with them.

[Charellia]

1. No, it's not "fine" to try drugs once or twice. Espescially not Cocaine, that shit, in alot of cases, messes you up on the first try. Weed also hinders the pre-frontal cortex if you try it "once or twice."

So? I've done it, and many people I know have done it, and we're fine.

Vague claims about how dangerous something is(!!!) when it's really not aren't going to get you anywhere.

And your age is irrelevant, it's obvious that most teens have the mindset that attempting to send your mind into a hallcinagenic state is "OK." It's not.

boring, honestly. life is meant to be lived, not freaked out about.

2. Your right, school is for school. Then kids shouldn't be selling drugs to other kids at school, now should they?

There's police at schools.

3. We're talking about adolescents here...But I still disagree.

Why? Some drugs are really bad, but the ones I listed only harm people in the very long run (barring overdose for the last two). Someone might have a bad reaction, but that's why legalizing and regulating them would be helpful.

Drugs aren't going away, so you might as well do what you can to fix issues associated with them.

LSD can have permanent effects after a single use.

[Scomagia]

So? I've done it, and many people I know have done it, and we're fine.

Vague claims about how dangerous something is(!!!) when it's really not aren't going to get you anywhere.



boring, honestly. life is meant to be lived, not freaked out about.


There's police at schools.


Why? Some drugs are really bad, but the ones I listed only harm people in the very long run (barring overdose for the last two). Someone might have a bad reaction, but that's why legalizing and regulating them would be helpful.

Drugs aren't going away, so you might as well do what you can to fix issues associated with them.

LSD can have permanent effects after a single use.

Source?

[Charellia]

LSD can have permanent effects after a single use.

Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Flashbacks_and_HPPD
Flashbacks can potentially occur after a single use and can in rare cases return even years after use has ceased.

[Torisakia]

It's not that sad when they choose to use the drugs, whether they were baited into it or not.

[Master Shake]

It's not that sad when they choose to use the drugs, whether they were baited into it or not.

What is sad is that they need the drugs to mask some inner pain experienced either recently or during childhood.I smoked weed for a decade to feel good and to forget about being sexually abused as a five year old.

Also if the divorce rate wasn't so high we'd be seeing less drugs being used by children since the kids are trying to "get away" from the conflict inside their house and go out onto the streets to score their drug of choice...I knew a twelve year old kid who did X,,,

[Infected Mushroom]

What is your opinion on teenagers, moreso adolescents and drug use? I personally find it scary when over 60% of High school seniors think it's OK to try Cocaine once or twice, or when more teens die from overdose on prescription drugs to get "high" than heroin/cocaine.

In 2013, 7.0 percent of 8th graders, 18.0 percent of 10th graders, and 22.7 percent of 12th graders used marijuana in the past month, up from 5.8 percent, 13.8 percent, and 19.4 percent in 2008. Daily use has also increased; 6.5 percent of 12th graders now use marijuana every day, compared to 5 percent in the mid-2000s.

I find the above statistic very scary. Not only does Mariujana damage the pre-frontal cortex (which slows down learning, thought process, etc) it also reduces the IQ of teens who try pot. However, when adults smoke it(whio are the only people that should be smoking it) we see no negative effect in the IQ.

Participants' cannabis use was ascertained in interviews at ages 18, 21, 26, 32, and 38 years. IQ testing was done at age 8, 11, and 13 years, before the start of cannabis use, and again at age 38, after a pattern of persistent cannabis use had developed. One third of the cohort had never used cannabis.

After controlling for alcohol or drug dependence, socioeconomic status, and years of education, the researchers found that persistent cannabis use was associated with IQ decline when it was begun during the teenage years but not when begun in the adult years, after the age of 18.

Between the ages of 8 and 38 years, individuals who began using cannabis in adolescence and continued to use it for years thereafter lost an average of 8 IQ points. In contrast, IQ among individuals who never used cannabis actually rose slightly, Dr. Meier said.

What would I do personally? I'd personally have every High School student in every grade, every class drug tested every single month of the school year. If they refuse to do the drug test, they're obviously on drugs and should be dealt with legally. If drugs are found and a Doctor prescribed it(and the Doctor must say it under oath that he/she prescribed it) then they get a pass.

So that's my opinion, I'm not trying to turn this into a blog. I'm just trying to avoid one-liners. Let's discuss, what are your opinions?

This is a brilliant idea...

It should be the next stage in the War against Drugs...

[Infected Mushroom]

It is a poor life decision for teens to try drugs or to take them. They should be discouraged from doing so, through any means necessary.

[Scomagia]

What is your opinion on teenagers, moreso adolescents and drug use? I personally find it scary when over 60% of High school seniors think it's OK to try Cocaine once or twice, or when more teens die from overdose on prescription drugs to get "high" than heroin/cocaine.

In 2013, 7.0 percent of 8th graders, 18.0 percent of 10th graders, and 22.7 percent of 12th graders used marijuana in the past month, up from 5.8 percent, 13.8 percent, and 19.4 percent in 2008. Daily use has also increased; 6.5 percent of 12th graders now use marijuana every day, compared to 5 percent in the mid-2000s.

I find the above statistic very scary. Not only does Mariujana damage the pre-frontal cortex (which slows down learning, thought process, etc) it also reduces the IQ of teens who try pot. However, when adults smoke it(whio are the only people that should be smoking it) we see no negative effect in the IQ.



What would I do personally? I'd personally have every High School student in every grade, every class drug tested every single month of the school year. If they refuse to do the drug test, they're obviously on drugs and should be dealt with legally. If drugs are found and a Doctor prescribed it(and the Doctor must say it under oath that he/she prescribed it) then they get a pass.

So that's my opinion, I'm not trying to turn this into a blog. I'm just trying to avoid one-liners. Let's discuss, what are your opinions?

This is a brilliant idea...

It should be the next stage in the War against Drugs...

It's ludicrously expensive, unnecessarily invasive, and treats everyone like a criminal. Of course you'd support it.

[Master Shake]

What is your opinion on teenagers, moreso adolescents and drug use? I personally find it scary when over 60% of High school seniors think it's OK to try Cocaine once or twice, or when more teens die from overdose on prescription drugs to get "high" than heroin/cocaine.

In 2013, 7.0 percent of 8th graders, 18.0 percent of 10th graders, and 22.7 percent of 12th graders used marijuana in the past month, up from 5.8 percent, 13.8 percent, and 19.4 percent in 2008. Daily use has also increased; 6.5 percent of 12th graders now use marijuana every day, compared to 5 percent in the mid-2000s.

I find the above statistic very scary. Not only does Mariujana damage the pre-frontal cortex (which slows down learning, thought process, etc) it also reduces the IQ of teens who try pot. However, when adults smoke it(whio are the only people that should be smoking it) we see no negative effect in the IQ.



What would I do personally? I'd personally have every High School student in every grade, every class drug tested every single month of the school year. If they refuse to do the drug test, they're obviously on drugs and should be dealt with legally. If drugs are found and a Doctor prescribed it(and the Doctor must say it under oath that he/she prescribed it) then they get a pass.

So that's my opinion, I'm not trying to turn this into a blog. I'm just trying to avoid one-liners. Let's discuss, what are your opinions?

This is a brilliant idea...

It should be the next stage in the War against Drugs...

That would be a complete violation of their rights.

The real reason schools don't drug test every student is the costs.Its like $5 bucks a test and if you have 3,000 kids a month to test it would be about $15,000 a month and $135,000 for school year.

Yeah so lets waste even more money on education through taxes when the schools that exist nowadays can barely teach these dumbass kids how to flip a burger...

No way in hell should we advocate drug testing...its a waste of tax payer money!

[Infected Mushroom]

This is a brilliant idea...

It should be the next stage in the War against Drugs...

It's ludicrously expensive, unnecessarily invasive, and treats everyone like a criminal. Of course you'd support it.

It may be expensive, but it will be highly highly effective (anyone who has anything to do with drugs would be detected unless they were skipping school). And there needs to be a clause where the schools must comply or else get shut down with the state being able to press charges against specific administrators.

It is NOT unnecessarily intrusive. The drug problem has gotten way WAY out of control. Do you know how many schoolyards I've seen where the ''cool kids'' were pretty much OPENLY dealing drugs? The teachers walk right past lanes in the yards filled with the smell of pot and other drugs... its ridiculous. Something must be done.

And no it doesn't treat everyone like criminals. Unless you think airport security metal detectors ''treat everyone like criminals.'' Its the same concept really.

[Charellia]

It's ludicrously expensive, unnecessarily invasive, and treats everyone like a criminal. Of course you'd support it.

It may be expensive, but it will be highly highly effective (anyone who has anything to do with drugs would be detected unless they were skipping school).

It is NOT unnecessarily intrusive. The drug problem has gotten way WAY out of control. Do you know how many schoolyards I've seen where the ''cool kids'' were pretty much OPENLY dealing drugs? The teachers walk right past lanes in the yards filled with the smell of pot and other drugs... its ridiculous. Something must be done.

And no it doesn't treat everyone like criminals. Unless you think airport security metal detectors ''treat everyone like criminals.'' Its the same concept really.

School is not optional. Thus drug testing would constitute a mandatory search without any implied consent or probable cause.

[Infected Mushroom]

This is a brilliant idea...

It should be the next stage in the War against Drugs...

The real reason schools don't drug test every student is the costs.Its like $5 bucks a test and if you have 3,000 kids a month to test it would be about $15,000 a month and $135,000 for school year.

Yeah so lets waste even more money on education through taxes when the schools that exist nowadays can barely teach these dumbass kids how to flip a burger...

No way in hell should we advocate drug testing...its a waste of tax payer money!

it is not a waste of taxpayer's money to save millions of kids from a lifetime of drug abuse and possible overdose...

[GraySoap]

No one in my school used cocaine. I imagine some percentage used marijuana, but uh, it was low. Perhaps 10-15% regular users by graduation. The people who used weed were destined to be subhuman regardless. Their mental development was stunted by other factors well before their usage of weed. It is not something one must prevent or lament.

[Infected Mushroom]

It may be expensive, but it will be highly highly effective (anyone who has anything to do with drugs would be detected unless they were skipping school).

It is NOT unnecessarily intrusive. The drug problem has gotten way WAY out of control. Do you know how many schoolyards I've seen where the ''cool kids'' were pretty much OPENLY dealing drugs? The teachers walk right past lanes in the yards filled with the smell of pot and other drugs... its ridiculous. Something must be done.

And no it doesn't treat everyone like criminals. Unless you think airport security metal detectors ''treat everyone like criminals.'' Its the same concept really.

School is not optional. Thus drug testing would constitute a mandatory search without any implied consent or probable cause.

yes and no.

There would be no implied consent... but there would be probable cause. Schools are a major center of activity for drug dealers...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's ludicrously expensive, unnecessarily invasive, and treats everyone like a criminal. Of course you'd support it.

It may be expensive, but it will be highly highly effective (anyone who has anything to do with drugs would be detected unless they were skipping school). And there needs to be a clause where the schools must comply or else get shut down with the state being able to press charges against specific administrators.

It is NOT unnecessarily intrusive. The drug problem has gotten way WAY out of control. Do you know how many schoolyards I've seen where the ''cool kids'' were pretty much OPENLY dealing drugs? The teachers walk right past lanes in the yards filled with the smell of pot and other drugs... its ridiculous. Something must be done.

And no it doesn't treat everyone like criminals. Unless you think airport security metal detectors ''treat everyone like criminals.'' Its the same concept really.

>Implying that further criminalization of the issue is going to solve the problem.

[Master Shake]

Yeah so lets waste even more money on education through taxes when the schools that exist nowadays can barely teach these dumbass kids how to flip a burger...

No way in hell should we advocate drug testing...its a waste of tax payer money!

it is not a waste of taxpayer's money to save millions of kids from a lifetime of drug abuse and possible overdose...

overdose on marijuana?

Honestly you want to help the kids and prevent future shooting sprees?

Hire counselors for the schools that can help children through their inner pain and also get them help for drug problems.I am serious if we had better counselors it would prevent a lot of suicides,drug problems and even the lone gun man who comes to school prepared to act out his Rambo/Call of Duty fantasies...

Drug testing is a band aid because then the kids would buy Urine Luck or other chemicals that can remove the drug from their system...

EDIT:What schools have drug dealers openly promoting their products?

Detroit High School?

[Infected Mushroom]

It may be expensive, but it will be highly highly effective (anyone who has anything to do with drugs would be detected unless they were skipping school). And there needs to be a clause where the schools must comply or else get shut down with the state being able to press charges against specific administrators.

It is NOT unnecessarily intrusive. The drug problem has gotten way WAY out of control. Do you know how many schoolyards I've seen where the ''cool kids'' were pretty much OPENLY dealing drugs? The teachers walk right past lanes in the yards filled with the smell of pot and other drugs... its ridiculous. Something must be done.

And no it doesn't treat everyone like criminals. Unless you think airport security metal detectors ''treat everyone like criminals.'' Its the same concept really.

>Implying that further criminalization of the issue is going to solve the problem.

it would help us get the unscrupulous drug dealers in the schoolyards. I''m sure once a few kids get detected we can get them to reveal the sources...

its not further criminalization. its already illegal, and for good reasons. This is merely putting in place good enforcement.

[Torisakia]

It's not that sad when they choose to use the drugs, whether they were baited into it or not.

What is sad is that they need the drugs to mask some inner pain experienced either recently or during childhood.I smoked weed for a decade to feel good and to forget about being sexually abused as a five year old.

Also if the divorce rate wasn't so high we'd be seeing less drugs being used by children since the kids are trying to "get away" from the conflict inside their house and go out onto the streets to score their drug of choice...I knew a twelve year old kid who did X,,,

Again, they choose to do the drugs. Therefore I have no sympathy for them or their situation(s).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

>Implying that further criminalization of the issue is going to solve the problem.

it would help us get the unscrupulous drug dealers in the schoolyards. I''m sure once a few kids get detected we can get them to reveal the sources...

its not further criminalization. its already illegal, and for good reasons. This is merely putting in place good enforcement.

It is further criminalization of the issue. Furthermore, just because you can stop some drug dealers doesn't mean you will stop them all, or that they won't keep appearing as long as drugs are a profitable black market.

Legalize it, you don't have the problem of drug dealers.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What is sad is that they need the drugs to mask some inner pain experienced either recently or during childhood.I smoked weed for a decade to feel good and to forget about being sexually abused as a five year old.

Also if the divorce rate wasn't so high we'd be seeing less drugs being used by children since the kids are trying to "get away" from the conflict inside their house and go out onto the streets to score their drug of choice...I knew a twelve year old kid who did X,,,

Again, they choose to do the drugs. Therefore I have no sympathy for them or their situation(s).

Sometimes people do stupid shit out of desperation, and I get that.

[Infected Mushroom]

it would help us get the unscrupulous drug dealers in the schoolyards. I''m sure once a few kids get detected we can get them to reveal the sources...

its not further criminalization. its already illegal, and for good reasons. This is merely putting in place good enforcement.

It is further criminalization of the issue. Furthermore, just because you can stop some drug dealers doesn't mean you will stop them all, or that they won't keep appearing as long as drugs are a profitable black market.

Legalize it, you don't have the problem of drug dealers.

that's like saying if you legalize murder the problem of murder will disappear. Its merely turning a blind eye to the problem or worse, allowing the private sector to carry out horrendous acts in plain sight for profit.

if something is wrong, you criminalize it and you fight it. You don't just give up and make it legal and say the problem has disappeared. Dealing drugs is wrong... it doesn't matter if its the people on the street doing it, or big corporations, or the government. Anyone who would exploit people like this needs to be stopped for the greater good.

At least with the current system, we get to catch some of these exploitative bastards and put them behind bars. Its about eventually catching all of them but I'll settle for and start with catching MORE of them... and this is what this method would achieve. Its enough for now. Do you know how many lives drugs have destroyed? And for many people it started in the schools because no one was there to stop the dealers...