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Would/could you live in the US?

Yes! Where's my green card!
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No! *clings to native passport*
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Eh, maybe. (Explain.)
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One ticket to Vulcan, please.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:21 am

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The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Expecting respect they don't think we've earned, holding militarism over them as holy, acting as if we rule them and demanding they "do their duty" and learn about the US?

I did my duty to learn about the early British history they teach in American public schools, I did my duty and learned about the monarchies of Europe, the militarism they hold as holy and the subjugation of peoples they believed to be below them.

And I, an American, am hated by the world for doing my duty and being educated and understanding the world as it was and is now? I think you're out of line.

You can't hold harboring anti-American attitudes over people because they clearly never studied us in their shitty foreign schools, that's fucking ridiculous.

It's that militant, holier-than-thou, in-your-face attitude that makes so many people dislike America.
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Postby Riftend » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:21 am

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Riftend wrote:Close enough...My point is still valid.... The bloody Parliament Congress shut down because they couldn't agree~

That's because the House majority(Republicans) are being stubborn children.(How the fuck they got majority again, the world may never know)

Well what make you think they wouldn't form here own nation as they don't have to deal with the democrats (did I get that right?)
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:22 am

Parhe wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Boy do I wish. How do you call a President so limited in power by Congressional gridlock an Emperor? You'd have to either be incredibly ill-informed or ready to deny reality to justify hate for that ni- I mean socialist Kenyan Muslim.

If you prefer we could just call him Dear Leader. Or Deer Leader, that is more entertaining. Whatever word we want to toss around.

I'm not getting how he's literally Kim Jong Un.

Tell me, do you truly believe Obama has a death-grip on power in the US?
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Postby -The West Coast- » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:22 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:I did my duty to learn about the early British history they teach in American public schools, I did my duty and learned about the monarchies of Europe, the militarism they hold as holy and the subjugation of peoples they believed to be below them.

And I, an American, am hated by the world for doing my duty and being educated and understanding the world as it was and is now? I think you're out of line.

You can't hold harboring anti-American attitudes over people because they clearly never studied us in their shitty foreign schools, that's fucking ridiculous.

It's that militant, holier-than-thou, in-your-face attitude that makes so many people dislike America.

Or maybe its their ignorance of foreign policy, history and a lack of understanding of the realm of politics that really makes them think they hate America, when they're just projecting their own hatred and misunderstanding of their own nation and government on an easy target.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:23 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:You can't hold harboring anti-American attitudes over people because they clearly never studied us in their shitty foreign schools, that's fucking ridiculous.

It's that militant, holier-than-thou, in-your-face attitude that makes so many people dislike America.

Or maybe its their ignorance of foreign policy, history and a lack of understanding of the realm of politics that really makes them think they hate America, when they're just projecting their own hatred and misunderstanding of their own nation and government on an easy target.

Maybe it's our blatant imperialism, jingoism, and expectations that we be patted on the back for them?

Helps that we have lots of wealth and ill-informed people.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:23 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
> Assuming our stereotype in Europe is of "educated and cultured" people.

You don't understand America, so you assume every American is uncultured and uneducated?


I AM An American, so I understand not ever American is uncultured and uneducated.

This doesn't mean everyone outside of the U.S. knows that; it's a reflection of what they consume in the media about Americans.
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Postby Parhe » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:24 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Parhe wrote:If you prefer we could just call him Dear Leader. Or Deer Leader, that is more entertaining. Whatever word we want to toss around.

I'm not getting how he's literally Kim Jong Un.

Tell me, do you truly believe Obama has a death-grip on power in the US?

No. I was playing around with how the poster said "whatever word you wanna toss around."
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:26 am

Alexanda wrote:Is New Hampshire nice/ safe?


Safe, yes, absolutely.

Nice depends on how you define nice. I think it's OK, but not quite as nice as the states around it.
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Postby Parhe » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:27 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Is New Hampshire nice/ safe?


Safe, yes, absolutely.

Nice depends on how you define nice. I think it's OK, but not quite as nice as the states around it.

One thing I will say is the state is geographically beautiful and it has no sales tax. It still manages to be expensive though somehow.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:27 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Is New Hampshire nice/ safe?


Safe, yes, absolutely.

Nice depends on how you define nice. I think it's OK, but not quite as nice as the states around it.


Seems like you've been all over the states :p
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Postby Absurdly Polite Gentlemen » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:28 am

America is a very diverse place, and the places I've visited I'd like. While the whole health insurance thing and American society at whole might bother me at times, I think I could still find a part of it that I'm happy to live in.

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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:29 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:You don't understand America, so you assume every American is uncultured and uneducated?


I AM An American, so I understand not ever American is uncultured and uneducated.

This doesn't mean everyone outside of the U.S. knows that; it's a reflection of what they consume in the media about Americans.


Didn't you say you're from somewhere else earlier? :eyebrow:
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Postby Absurdly Polite Gentlemen » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:30 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Is New Hampshire nice/ safe?


Safe, yes, absolutely.

Nice depends on how you define nice. I think it's OK, but not quite as nice as the states around it.

I went to New Hampshire, and I talked to someone who's lived there their entire life and has never left. His name was Dan the Moose man, and he talked about how it is very easy to get a permit and gun to go Moose-shootin' in the Moose-shootin' season. I didn't know people like that existed, I thought it was a stereotype on American TV.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:30 am

Aodan wrote:I guess, yes I would be able to.

But only up in the far north, Vermont, New Hampshire and Rhode Island. Since it's less densely populated and has a lot of secluded areas, something I would extremely enjoy.


Rhode Island is pretty densely populated. You probably confused it with Maine or something.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:31 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I AM An American, so I understand not ever American is uncultured and uneducated.

This doesn't mean everyone outside of the U.S. knows that; it's a reflection of what they consume in the media about Americans.


Didn't you say you're from somewhere else earlier? :eyebrow:


-sigh- I guess I should clarify.

I came here in the U.S. when I was 13 from El Salvador so yes, I wasn't born here. I am a Naturalized Citizen though - I naturalized last year - so that's why I can say I'm an American. I studied High School and College here too.

So, I mean, I am an immigrant, I am a Naturalized Citizen, but I have immersed into the culture that I pretty much am the same as an American-born if you want to get down to the technicalities; I just differ where I come from.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:35 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Didn't you say you're from somewhere else earlier? :eyebrow:


-sigh- I guess I should clarify.

I came here in the U.S. when I was 13 from El Salvador so yes, I wasn't born here. I am a Naturalized Citizen though - I naturalized last year - so that's why I can say I'm an American. I studied High School and College here too.

So, I mean, I am an immigrant, I am a Naturalized Citizen, but I have immersed into the culture that I pretty much am the same as an American-born; I just differ where I come from.


An American you say? So, "Viva la patria, Arriba Mexico!" means nothing? I mean, you're from El Salvador, so that doesn't even make sense! :p
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Postby -The West Coast- » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:37 am

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:Or maybe its their ignorance of foreign policy, history and a lack of understanding of the realm of politics that really makes them think they hate America, when they're just projecting their own hatred and misunderstanding of their own nation and government on an easy target.

Maybe it's our blatant imperialism, jingoism, and expectations that we be patted on the back for them?

Helps that we have lots of wealth and ill-informed people.

Please inform me of all the countries we invaded, conquered and annexed into the American Empire. The number will probably be around zero.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:38 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Maybe it's our blatant imperialism, jingoism, and expectations that we be patted on the back for them?

Helps that we have lots of wealth and ill-informed people.

Please inform me of all the countries we invaded, conquered and annexed into the American Empire. The number will probably be around zero.


Well given all of the countries that we have imported into our own territory, one could very well argue that we have developed a little domestic empire here.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:39 am

Libertarian California wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:Please inform me of all the countries we invaded, conquered and annexed into the American Empire. The number will probably be around zero.


Well given all of the countries that we have imported into our own territory, one could very well argue that we have developed a little domestic empire here.

We conquered none of the insular territories we currently govern today. Thus, the United States remains without an empire.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:39 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
-sigh- I guess I should clarify.

I came here in the U.S. when I was 13 from El Salvador so yes, I wasn't born here. I am a Naturalized Citizen though - I naturalized last year - so that's why I can say I'm an American. I studied High School and College here too.

So, I mean, I am an immigrant, I am a Naturalized Citizen, but I have immersed into the culture that I pretty much am the same as an American-born; I just differ where I come from.


An American you say? So, "Viva la patria, Arriba Mexico!" means nothing? I mean, you're from El Salvador, so that doesn't even make sense! :p


Oh, that's because of the current FIFA World Cup. I support both Mexico and the U.S.; but I am keeping a Latino stereotype brought on to me on TET :p. Besides, my mom's from Mexico, so I have citizenship through her via blood (and someone has to support Mexico) :lol:

So pretty much I am a triple citizen. I just prefer to legally refer to myself as an American with a heritage from Mexican and Salvadoran cultures :p
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:39 am

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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:40 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Well given all of the countries that we have imported into our own territory, one could very well argue that we have developed a little domestic empire here.

We conquered none of the insular territories we currently govern today. Thus, the United States remains without an empire.


I'm not talking about insular territories. I'm talking about the 50 states, where we have imported people of various nationalities and have had them settle on our land, thus creating an empire.
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Postby -The West Coast- » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:41 am

Libertarian California wrote:
-The West Coast- wrote:We conquered none of the insular territories we currently govern today. Thus, the United States remains without an empire.


I'm not talking about insular territories. I'm talking about the 50 states, where we have imported people of various nationalities and have had them settle on our land, thus creating an empire.

Immigrants settling in our states does not an empire make.
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Postby Divitaen » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:41 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Maybe it's our blatant imperialism, jingoism, and expectations that we be patted on the back for them?

Helps that we have lots of wealth and ill-informed people.

Please inform me of all the countries we invaded, conquered and annexed into the American Empire. The number will probably be around zero.


Does the land taken from the Cherokee Indians in the West count? Or Guam? Wake Island? Puerto Rico? The Virgin Islands? That's only if you count annexation. If you count colonialism and incorporating client states, you'd have to add the Philippines. And maybe all the puppet governments installed around the world, like the al-Maliki administration in Iraq or the Hamid Karzai regime in Afghanistan.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:42 am

-The West Coast- wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
I'm not talking about insular territories. I'm talking about the 50 states, where we have imported people of various nationalities and have had them settle on our land, thus creating an empire.

Immigrants settling in our states does not an empire make.


An empire is a country that has many different, often competing cultural/religious/ethnic/national/racial groups in it.
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