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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:02 am

Valaran wrote:
Camelza wrote:Aye, that's true, people tend to overreact about their opponents. But that's been done since the first political about whether they should hunt mammoths, or sabre cats.

That made me chuckle.


The Times cartoons are hit and miss, but when they get it right, it can be quite funny :)
Plus, its pretty easy to satirize the Daily Mail.

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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:05 am

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The Times cartoons are hit and miss, but when they get it right, it can be quite funny :)
Plus, its pretty easy to satirize the Daily Mail.

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haha yes

Many aren't so good though unfortunately....
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Postby Britannic Realms » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:44 am

I just do not understand why they would do this. I understand that they tend to be Tories painted red, but I never thought that they would actively try and upset the people who vote for them.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:46 am

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What sense?
If I left at 16 and worked for 4 years in a technical field as say, a plumber, why shouldn't I get welfare compared to some person who got an A level then bummed around for 3?


I meant to say that it is not logical, however, it is more logical than more spending on the NHS, freezing energy prices and nationalising railways.

What's illogical about more NHS spending?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:48 am

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Mollary wrote:So refusing them benefits will work to do that? How is this going to help people get jobs when there still aren't the jobs?

This is being spun as a plan to cut benefits to people who don't have the training to get jobs, and refuse to take training to get jobs. This is really just window-dressing, the more fundamental change is that people who are on Jobseeker's Allowance can now get state-funded training to allow them to get new jobs. Currently, people who are on benefits are prevented from training while looking for work, so this is actually just a change in those rules that allows people to train and look for work at the same time.

Hopefully, this would help young people to find jobs that under the current system they would not have the training to do.

Denying them benefits is going to pay for training? Why not let them stay on benefits and still have the government fund the training? They're still going to need food and housing while in school.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:51 am

You realise that all this will actually do is put past school leavers and current unemployed on the same educational level as new school leavers, right?
New school leavers are now required to have an A-level or equivalent (including vocational) education.

Without A-level or equivalent education, unskilled unemployed will be hugely behind new school leavers in educational attainment and be even less employable.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:52 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The labour welfare nazi


What a nice way to start a thread.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:53 am

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I meant to say that it is not logical, however, it is more logical than more spending on the NHS, freezing energy prices and nationalising railways.

What's illogical about more NHS spending?

Or nationalised railways?
The privatisation of them has been an unmitigated disaster and several are run by the German state rail networks.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:54 am

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Geilinor wrote:What's illogical about more NHS spending?

Or nationalised railways?
The privatisation of them has been an unmitigated disaster and several are run by the German state rail networks.



Indeed it has, and it demonstrates that not everything should be sold off at the first opportunity. Natural monopolies may occur anyway.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:58 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:You realise that all this will actually do is put past school leavers and current unemployed on the same educational level as new school leavers, right?
New school leavers are now required to have an A-level or equivalent (including vocational) education.

Without A-level or equivalent education, unskilled unemployed will be hugely behind new school leavers in educational attainment and be even less employable.

How is denying them welfare going to help past school leavers get education? The government should set up a system that supports those who wish to get more education instead of taking away payments and hoping that it will encourage them to get more educated.
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Postby Vyvland » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:01 am

Very stupid idea which will lose more votes than it gains, in my opinion. Also hampers to an idiotic view that there actually are adequate jobs and training available for school-leavers and young people which, needless to say, there aren't.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:02 am

This move by Milliband makes me happy.

Not because I agree with it, but because it means that it's taking more steps to create divisions within the party.

This, my friends, is why the trade unions are shite at making good judgements on behalf of Britain. I'm quite glad though, because without them, Labour would win the general election. Thank you Len McCluskey!
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:05 am

Britanno wrote:This move by Milliband makes me happy.

Not because I agree with it, but because it means that it's taking more steps to create divisions within the party.

This, my friends, is why the trade unions are shite at making good judgements on behalf of Britain. I'm quite glad though, because without them, Labour would win the general election. Thank you Len McCluskey!



While I do agree that trade unions are rather outdated, when did it say it had anything to do with them?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:06 am

Valaran wrote:
Britanno wrote:This move by Milliband makes me happy.

Not because I agree with it, but because it means that it's taking more steps to create divisions within the party.

This, my friends, is why the trade unions are shite at making good judgements on behalf of Britain. I'm quite glad though, because without them, Labour would win the general election. Thank you Len McCluskey!



While I do agree that trade unions are rather outdated, when did it say it had anything to do with them?

Milliband's a union shill. :p
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:07 am

What the fuck happened to the Labour Party? At this point even their name is a joke.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:08 am

Valaran wrote:While I do agree that trade unions are rather outdated, when did it say it had anything to do with them?

Ed won against a far stronger and better candidate simply because the unions backed him.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:08 am

Geilinor wrote:
Valaran wrote:

While I do agree that trade unions are rather outdated, when did it say it had anything to do with them?

Milliband's a union shill. :p



shill?

Yeah he got elected by them (not great), but not every policy is dreamt up by the unions. By that logic every Tory policy now made is from the rich private-schooled elite.
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Postby Zavea » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:09 am

as someone who just recently learned he might qualify for british dual citizenship (i'm canadian) i'm disappointed...

...alright, now which one of you will give me free food, money and shelter when i come to the UK?
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:11 am

Britanno wrote:
Valaran wrote:While I do agree that trade unions are rather outdated, when did it say it had anything to do with them?

Ed won against a far stronger and better candidate simply because the unions backed him.



I know he did, but you still don''t like Labour anyway, apparently. Would you have voted for David Milliband or David Cameron, because judging by your earlier comments you still deride Labour for, well, the evils of existing and being left-wing.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:11 am

Valaran wrote:Yeah he got elected by them (not great), but not every policy is dreamt up by the unions. By that logic every Tory policy now made is from the rich private-schooled elite.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying these policies (that'll fuck Labour up) are only being implemented because the unions were stupid enough to back Ed.
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Aodan wrote:Question of the Day: Should we burn them?

Answer of the Day: Yes. Yes. YES.

Follow-up Question: Who's going to be burned?

And those blank lines in your signature put you way over the 8-line limit. Spoilers count 1.5 lines, by the way.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:12 am

Britanno wrote:
Valaran wrote:Yeah he got elected by them (not great), but not every policy is dreamt up by the unions. By that logic every Tory policy now made is from the rich private-schooled elite.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying these policies (that'll fuck Labour up) are only being implemented because the unions were stupid enough to back Ed.



I think its a stupid policy, but the unions are only a partial root cause, and not that relevant. I also wasn't replying directly to you there.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:13 am

Valaran wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Milliband's a union shill. :p



shill?

Yeah he got elected by them (not great), but not every policy is dreamt up by the unions. By that logic every Tory policy now made is from the rich private-schooled elite.

I was joking.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:14 am

Geilinor wrote:
Valaran wrote:

shill?

Yeah he got elected by them (not great), but not every policy is dreamt up by the unions. By that logic every Tory policy now made is from the rich private-schooled elite.

I was joking.



:p That should have given it away I suppose... my bad :blush:

Other people seemed to be taking Ed controlled by the Unions seriously though, so I thought you did too....
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