Is ''Hooters'' Degrading To Women?

[The Flood]

Many people, including Hooters employees, earn a living through self-degradation.

If they choose it, is it degradation?

Certainly.

[Seriong]

If they choose it, is it degradation?

Certainly.

Why? Why, if someone is merely using the body in the way they choose degrading to them instead of liberating?

[Constantinopolis]

I was going to go through this reply-by-reply and line-by-line to point out problems in viewpoint, rather humorous puritanical views on sexuality more at home with pilgrims than a Communist, and the rather major issues of consent as well as practical effects of some of the proposals made, but am too lazy.

Oh no! The horror! I have "puritanical" views on sexuality! As in... the kinds of views that were held by pretty much everyone in the Western world until a few decades ago and continue to be held by most people in the rest of the world today. Thank goodness you overthrew those pilgrims who had been ruling America up until 1965 or so.

Seriously, I never cease to be amazed by the sheer arrogance of ultra-liberals on social issues who seem completely unaware of how much their values are out of sync with the vast majority of human beings alive today and the vast majority of people in their own cultures up until about two generations ago.

No wonder there is so much pushback against you from every non-Western culture in the world.

I'll leave it at this: Sex is not degrading, your views are outdated religioun-deprived claptrap with no place being instituted in government, and I'd be more concerned about the cultural trend of regulating sexuality than that of giving blowjobs or cunnilingus for a fifty.

Oh, right, I see, outdated. Always the insult of choice used by privileged out-of-touch elitists who think that whatever they are doing at the moment is the wave of the future. Yes, yes, we all know how everyone is going to one day bow down to your superior wisdom and accept secular Western (neo-)liberalism as the One True Ideology.

Meanwhile, I will continue to observe the slow disintegration of your global system, and I will continue doing my best to contribute to that "cultural trend of regulating sexuality" that you find so alarming.

And I will argue that all those who care about human dignity, decency and morality, regardless of religion or ideological persuasion, should at least come together in support of one goal: killing liberal individualism for good this time around, not half-way like we did last century, and burying its rotting corpse so deep that its zombified remains will never again rise to bother us.

[Upper America]

Certainly.

Why? Why, if someone is merely using the body in the way they choose degrading to them instead of liberating?

Some people do it because they're money-tight and have nowhere else to go.

[The Flood]

Certainly.

Why? Why, if someone is merely using the body in the way they choose degrading to them instead of liberating?

Being a sexual object is degrading, regardless of circumstance.

[The Flood]

I was going to go through this reply-by-reply and line-by-line to point out problems in viewpoint, rather humorous puritanical views on sexuality more at home with pilgrims than a Communist, and the rather major issues of consent as well as practical effects of some of the proposals made, but am too lazy.

Oh no! The horror! I have "puritanical" views on sexuality! As in... the kinds of views that were held by pretty much everyone in the Western world until a few decades ago and continue to be held by most people in the rest of the world today. Thank goodness you overthrew those pilgrims who had been ruling America up until 1965 or so.

Seriously, I never cease to be amazed by the sheer arrogance of ultra-liberals on social issues who seem completely unaware of how much their values are out of sync with the vast majority of human beings alive today and the vast majority of people in their own cultures up until about two generations ago.

No wonder there is so much pushback against you from every non-Western culture in the world.

I'll leave it at this: Sex is not degrading, your views are outdated religioun-deprived claptrap with no place being instituted in government, and I'd be more concerned about the cultural trend of regulating sexuality than that of giving blowjobs or cunnilingus for a fifty.

Oh, right, I see, outdated. Always the insult of choice used by privileged out-of-touch elitists who think that whatever they are doing at the moment is the wave of the future. Yes, yes, we all know how everyone is going to one day bow down to your superior wisdom and accept secular Western (neo-)liberalism as the One True Ideology.

Meanwhile, I will continue to observe the slow disintegration of your global system, and I will continue doing my best to contribute to that "cultural trend of regulating sexuality" that you find so alarming.

And I will argue that all those who care about human dignity, decency and morality, regardless of religion or ideological persuasion, should at least come together in support of one goal: killing liberal individualism for good this time around, not half-way like we did last century, and burying its rotting corpse so deep that its zombified remains will never again rise to bother us.

I like you

[Seriong]

Why? Why, if someone is merely using the body in the way they choose degrading to them instead of liberating?

Some people do it because they're money-tight and have nowhere else to go.

So, for some reason Hooters is hiring, but no other restaurant is.

Why? Why, if someone is merely using the body in the way they choose degrading to them instead of liberating?

Being a sexual object is degrading, regardless of circumstance.

Why? And what gives you the right to decide that for them?

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Are you implying that women aren't just objects?

[Seriong]

I like you

You like the person who believes it is within his right to regulate and outlaw any behavior that he dislikes?

[Seriong]

Are you implying that women aren't just objects?

No, of course not. Merely trying to differentiate among objects, a chair for example isn't a dildo.

[Parhe]

Some people do it because they're money-tight and have nowhere else to go.

So, for some reason Hooters is hiring, but no other restaurant is.

I feel the idea of some people is that by using their body they can make more tips then they would by being nice and kind at a regular restaurant. I still think it is degrading oneself but hey, their choice. I made the same choice before, even at times it seems I would need it for bare necessities, and never have regretted them looking back. Sometimes being degraded is worth it.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

I was going to go through this reply-by-reply and line-by-line to point out problems in viewpoint, rather humorous puritanical views on sexuality more at home with pilgrims than a Communist, and the rather major issues of consent as well as practical effects of some of the proposals made, but am too lazy.

Oh no! The horror! I have "puritanical" views on sexuality! As in... the kinds of views that were held by pretty much everyone in the Western world until a few decades ago and continue to be held by most people in the rest of the world today. Thank goodness you overthrew those pilgrims who had been ruling America up until 1965 or so.

Seriously, I never cease to be amazed by the sheer arrogance of ultra-liberals on social issues who seem completely unaware of how much their values are out of sync with the vast majority of human beings alive today and the vast majority of people in their own cultures up until about two generations ago.

No wonder there is so much pushback against you from every non-Western culture in the world.

I'll leave it at this: Sex is not degrading, your views are outdated religioun-deprived claptrap with no place being instituted in government, and I'd be more concerned about the cultural trend of regulating sexuality than that of giving blowjobs or cunnilingus for a fifty.

Oh, right, I see, outdated. Always the insult of choice used by privileged out-of-touch elitists who think that whatever they are doing at the moment is the wave of the future. Yes, yes, we all know how everyone is going to one day bow down to your superior wisdom and accept secular Western (neo-)liberalism as the One True Ideology.

Meanwhile, I will continue to observe the slow disintegration of your global system, and I will continue doing my best to contribute to that "cultural trend of regulating sexuality" that you find so alarming.

And I will argue that all those who care about human dignity, decency and morality, regardless of religion or ideological persuasion, should at least come together in support of one goal: killing liberal individualism for good this time around, not half-way like we did last century, and burying its rotting corpse so deep that its zombified remains will never again rise to bother us.

Things were so much better in 1965 when niggers, ethnic whites, other mongrels, and women knew their place.

Psst, neo-liberalism and liberalism aren't the same and most American liberals are in opposition to most of the fundamental principles of neo-liberalism.

Oh, and I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't know that people who still "care about human dignity, decency, and morality" in the way you do are slowly dying off and being crushed under the ever-increasing weight of their rapidly-disappearing political clout.

[Upper America]

Some people do it because they're money-tight and have nowhere else to go.

So, for some reason Hooters is hiring, but no other restaurant is.

Being a sexual object is degrading, regardless of circumstance.

Why? And what gives you the right to decide that for them?

I really wish people would read the posts that I am responding to. That post i was responding to wasn't just about restaraunts. It was talking about people "using their body the way they choose". That could also reference to prostitution and pornography. Not just restaraunts.

And where are we "deciding things for people"?

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Are you implying that women aren't just objects?

No, of course not. Merely trying to differentiate among objects, a chair for example isn't a dildo.

You're clearly not trying hard enough.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And I will argue that all those who care about human dignity, decency and morality, regardless of religion or ideological persuasion, should at least come together in support of one goal: killing liberal individualism for good this time around, not half-way like we did last century, and burying its rotting corpse so deep that its zombified remains will never again rise to bother us.

So, tell me how you're going to stop the spreading of ideas again? The Church couldn't during the Enlightenment, COnservatives couldn't during the last century pre-net. It's not like all of a sudden you'll be able to with the internet in place; in fact, I assume it'll be harder.

Your wanking off to the idea that individualism will be dead with your rallying about "human dignity, decency, and morality" is, frankly, quite absurd.

[Constantinopolis]

I like you

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

[Upper America]

I like you

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

So, you want people to band together to fight free will? And you want the lowest of the low on your side? Wow, I would not want to live in your ideal future.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

So, you want people to band together to fight free will? And you want the lowest of the low on your side? Wow, I would not want to live in your ideal future.

I imagine his future is something along the lines of every person going to church and everyone being monks altogether.

[Upper America]

So, you want people to band together to fight free will? And you want the lowest of the low on your side? Wow, I would not want to live in your ideal future.

I imagine his future is something along the lines of every person going to church and everyone being monks altogether.

Don't forget, the banning of free sexuality. And human advancement, if he wants religious conservatives on his side.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I imagine his future is something along the lines of every person going to church and everyone being monks altogether.

Don't forget, the banning of free sexuality. And human advancement, if he wants religious conservatives on his side.

Quite the religious dystopia, there. Fit to make a religious version of Brave New World

[New Frenco Empire]

I like you

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

Thank the Red God your kind are dying out, leaving me free to enjoy my personal liberty.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I like you

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

Because unlike how negative numbers convert to positive ones when squared, bad ideas don't become good when squared.

[Seriong]

So, for some reason Hooters is hiring, but no other restaurant is.

Why? And what gives you the right to decide that for them?

I really wish people would read the posts that I am responding to. That post i was responding to wasn't just about restaraunts. It was talking about people "using their body the way they choose". That could also reference to prostitution and pornography. Not just restaraunts.

And where are we "deciding things for people"?

My mistake then, I apologize.

He's deciding that it's degrading, not allowing the workers, the people that he would say are being degraded, to say for themselves what the experience is.

[Upper America]

Don't forget, the banning of free sexuality. And human advancement, if he wants religious conservatives on his side.

Quite the religious dystopia, there. Fit to make a religious version of Brave New World

I can think of a whole bunch of titles for a book like that.

Thank you. I strongly believe that we should build alliances between (some parts of) the radical left and (some parts of) religious conservative movements on certain moral issues. Another poster in this thread mentioned at some point that radical feminists and religious conservatives often share the same opposition towards things like prostitution, pornography, and our sexualized culture. That is true. So why aren't we fighting these things together?

Thank the Red God your kind are dying out, leaving me free to enjoy my personal liberty.

Agreed. I rather like having choices in my life.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Oh god... That chain goes way too far.

What exactly is this chain? Will my eyes melt if I look it up?

Four words: nude, body-painted waitresses.