Is ''Hooters'' Degrading To Women?

[Dakini]

Because it's technically not legal to create a hostile work environment for your employees where sexual harassment is to be expected?

Never been to Hooters but do the worked get sexually harassed often? Besides oogling I suppose, though I do consider that a form of harassment in most cases.

Considering that despite having to sign a contract stating that they will not sue after being sexually harassed, there are several successful and recent lawsuits to that effect? When you consider that the standard procedure is to pressure women who bring forth these lawsuits into arbitration so some of them don't end up at trial?


Then you can try to think of how many women just quit over the harassment they receive and think that they can't sue because they signed a paper saying that they wouldn't?

Based on the lawsuits that have appeared, it seems that Hooters is very much a boy's club and having a clause stating that the women who work there can't sue after being sexually harassed disempowers women to either speak out about the harassment they experience or take any action about it should they decide it's too much for them to bear. The result is that management seems to feel like they should be free to harass the staff at will.

And that's not even getting into the harassment by customers. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'd rather work at a strip club than a Hooters. Strip clubs have rules prohibiting people from touching the strippers and bouncers to toss people who break these rules out. Hooters does not have this. Instead they have an environment where waitresses are expected to have their asses and tits grabbed by customers.

[Parhe]

Never been to Hooters but do the worked get sexually harassed often? Besides oogling I suppose, though I do consider that a form of harassment in most cases.

Considering that despite having to sign a contract stating that they will not sue after being sexually harassed, there are several successful and recent lawsuits to that effect? When you consider that the standard procedure is to pressure women who bring forth these lawsuits into arbitration so some of them don't end up at trial?


Then you can try to think of how many women just quit over the harassment they receive and think that they can't sue because they signed a paper saying that they wouldn't?

Based on the lawsuits that have appeared, it seems that Hooters is very much a boy's club and having a clause stating that the women who work there can't sue after being sexually harassed disempowers women to either speak out about the harassment they experience or take any action about it should they decide it's too much for them to bear. The result is that management seems to feel like they should be free to harass the staff at will.

And that's not even getting into the harassment by customers. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'd rather work at a strip club than a Hooters. Strip clubs have rules prohibiting people from touching the strippers and bouncers to toss people who break these rules out. Hooters does not have this. Instead they have an environment where waitresses are expected to have their asses and tits grabbed by customers.

Thanks, though I don't see the point in all those rhetorical questions. Unless you do want me to actually answer those.

[Dakini]

Considering that despite having to sign a contract stating that they will not sue after being sexually harassed, there are several successful and recent lawsuits to that effect? When you consider that the standard procedure is to pressure women who bring forth these lawsuits into arbitration so some of them don't end up at trial?


Then you can try to think of how many women just quit over the harassment they receive and think that they can't sue because they signed a paper saying that they wouldn't?

Based on the lawsuits that have appeared, it seems that Hooters is very much a boy's club and having a clause stating that the women who work there can't sue after being sexually harassed disempowers women to either speak out about the harassment they experience or take any action about it should they decide it's too much for them to bear. The result is that management seems to feel like they should be free to harass the staff at will.

And that's not even getting into the harassment by customers. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'd rather work at a strip club than a Hooters. Strip clubs have rules prohibiting people from touching the strippers and bouncers to toss people who break these rules out. Hooters does not have this. Instead they have an environment where waitresses are expected to have their asses and tits grabbed by customers.

Thanks, though I don't see the point in all those rhetorical questions. Unless you do want me to actually answer those.

Not really. It's hard to say how prevalent sexual harassment is at Hooters in general because it's probably more underreported than in most jobs. It definitely happens and since the company policy seems to involve doing absolutely everything wrong when it comes to effectively dealing with sexual harassment, it wouldn't surprise me if it's more common than most places.

[Upper America]

What? No. Beautiful women need to earn a living too. Why not do so in the way they choose?

A woman can be beautiful yet not fulfill hooter's standards. You can be beautiful, but have an A-cup. Most Hooter's girls have large breasts, because that's what the company wants. They don't care if you're beautiful. Besides, a beautiful person can get a better-paying job as a lawyer, a doctor, or a politician. They don't have to get a job in a place where they can be sexually harassed and not have a voice.

The employees also sign a contract stating that they understand that the business is based on female sexuality and that they won't sue over sexual harassment.

Also, the fucking place discriminates against potential employees based on cup size, ffs.

And? If you run a business based on hotness, why not?

Because most people can't help what their body looks like.

[Geilinor]

What? No. Beautiful women need to earn a living too. Why not do so in the way they choose?

A woman can be beautiful yet not fulfill hooter's standards. You can be beautiful, but have an A-cup. Most Hooter's girls have large breasts, because that's what the company wants. They don't care if you're beautiful. Besides, a beautiful person can get a better-paying job as a lawyer, a doctor, or a politician. They don't have to get a job in a place where they can be sexually harassed and not have a voice.

How does Hooters sexually harass their staff?

[Kiruri]

A woman can be beautiful yet not fulfill hooter's standards. You can be beautiful, but have an A-cup. Most Hooter's girls have large breasts, because that's what the company wants. They don't care if you're beautiful. Besides, a beautiful person can get a better-paying job as a lawyer, a doctor, or a politician. They don't have to get a job in a place where they can be sexually harassed and not have a voice.

How does Hooters sexually harass their staff?

Perhaps not Hooters, but maybe the people that eat there?

[Upper America]

A woman can be beautiful yet not fulfill hooter's standards. You can be beautiful, but have an A-cup. Most Hooter's girls have large breasts, because that's what the company wants. They don't care if you're beautiful. Besides, a beautiful person can get a better-paying job as a lawyer, a doctor, or a politician. They don't have to get a job in a place where they can be sexually harassed and not have a voice.

How does Hooters sexually harass their staff?

Read this post from Dakini:

This^. They aren't showing any genitals, they're just showing skin.

The employees also sign a contract stating that they understand that the business is based on female sexuality and that they won't sue over sexual harassment.

Also, the fucking place discriminates against potential employees based on cup size, ffs.

Hooter's doesn't sexually harass, they just stifle the voice of the women who may be facing sexual harassment by the customers via a contract.

[Dakini]

A woman can be beautiful yet not fulfill hooter's standards. You can be beautiful, but have an A-cup. Most Hooter's girls have large breasts, because that's what the company wants. They don't care if you're beautiful. Besides, a beautiful person can get a better-paying job as a lawyer, a doctor, or a politician. They don't have to get a job in a place where they can be sexually harassed and not have a voice.

How does Hooters sexually harass their staff?

In one of the cases I linked earlier, some managers forced waitresses to go home with them and threatened to tie them up. There are other cases where the managers grope or otherwise touch the waitresses.

And like I said earlier, who knows how many women do not file suits or are forced into arbitration by headquarters? In those cases the women were instructed to "toughen up" when they reported their managers.

[Kiruri]

How does Hooters sexually harass their staff?

Read this post from Dakini:

The employees also sign a contract stating that they understand that the business is based on female sexuality and that they won't sue over sexual harassment.

Also, the fucking place discriminates against potential employees based on cup size, ffs.

Hooter's doesn't sexually harass, they just stifle the voice of the women who may be facing sexual harassment by the customers via a contract.

Ah! This.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which is why we need Rattlesnakes to balance it out.

But seriously, yeah, it does perpetuate the "hot babe" sort of attitude. Still, such an attitude is somewhat based in human nature. Though I'm not sure how it managed to become so one sided to ears women.

I don't know if a male version of Hooters would help. I don't know how that would even help now that I think about it more.

Well, I could go work there, for one.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I haven't been to a Friday's or Chili's in almost 15 years so I don't know if it is still in practice...

My point with the other professions(stripper,topless maid prostitute)is that rape is more rampant in those professions.

Source.

Personally, I'd rather be a stripper than work at Hooters. At least strip clubs have rules against touching the strippers and bouncers who will throw people who break this rule out on their ass.

I thought that was something you couldn't do in Hooter's regardless?

I mean, it'd be pretty damn awkward if I suddenly started touching a waitress who's giving me food...

[Kiruri]

I don't know if a male version of Hooters would help. I don't know how that would even help now that I think about it more.

Well, I could go work there, for one.

Sorry, toots, you don't fit the role. We have strict criterea for the people we hire heree

[Kiruri]

Source.

Personally, I'd rather be a stripper than work at Hooters. At least strip clubs have rules against touching the strippers and bouncers who will throw people who break this rule out on their ass.

I thought that was something you couldn't do in Hooter's regardless?

I mean, it'd be pretty damn awkward if I suddenly started touching a waitress who's giving me food...

Totally.. and Yeah, I'm pretty sure touching breasts/butts is not allowed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I could go work there, for one.

Sorry, toots, you don't fit the role. We have strict criterea for the people we hire heree

Shhhhhhh :3 I'm not working to please your homosexual desires. I'm there for the women that would look at me.

If you like, you can start your own hooters catered towards gay people.

[Constantinopolis]

What would you do if your daughter was a porn star or a stripper though?

I bet you'd be wishing she was only a Hooter's girl.

No, I would (a) consider myself a failure as a parent, and (b) wish that she was neither.

Anyway I agree with the gentleman from the UK that bar or pubs only hire attractive women. You don't want a seahag serving you beer...do you?

Actually, having a mythological creature serving me beer would be quite fascinating.

But more to the point, since I'm perfectly fine with men serving me beer (despite not being attracted to men), why would I have a problem with unattractive women serving me beer?

Do you object to unattractive female staff more than you object to male staff? If so, why? Could it be that there is some kind of prejudice against women at work here?

We Americans and our European brothers aren't alone in our desire to see lovely looking women it seems...

It's a male entitlement thing.

Is it a requirement as a communist to hate cute girls and to call Hooter's an establishment of the decadent west?

The instruction manual specifies that we should hate cute girls and be attracted to badass-looking women in uniform instead. Showing us cute girls in uniform causes a logic bomb that makes us shut down in confusion. It's how Reagan beat us. *nods*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Anyway I agree with the gentleman from the UK that bar or pubs only hire attractive women. You don't want a seahag serving you beer...do you?

Actually, having a mythological creature serving me beer would be quite fascinating.

As long as it's not the kraken or an Eidritch Abomination I'm okay with it.

[Azaflaza]

I guess it can be degrading if in the employing process they deliberately only pick girls with a certain body type eg. Big breasts. That is discrimination based on body shape and actually suggests that only women with these types of bodies are considered attractive.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I thought that was something you couldn't do in Hooter's regardless?

I mean, it'd be pretty damn awkward if I suddenly started touching a waitress who's giving me food...

Totally.. and Yeah, I'm pretty sure touching breasts/butts is not allowed.

It'd be particularly distressing if I was with a girl on a date... Can you imagine? The torture?

[Kiruri]

Sorry, toots, you don't fit the role. We have strict criterea for the people we hire heree

Shhhhhhh :3 I'm not working to please your homosexual desires. I'm there for the women that would look at me.

If you like, you can start your own hooters catered towards gay people.

Staaaahp it! I meant you don't fit the role for women/men >:3 Don't turn my jabs around

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Shhhhhhh :3 I'm not working to please your homosexual desires. I'm there for the women that would look at me.

If you like, you can start your own hooters catered towards gay people.

Staaaahp it! I meant you don't fit the role for women/men >:3 Don't turn my jabs around

[Upper America]

I thought that was something you couldn't do in Hooter's regardless?

I mean, it'd be pretty damn awkward if I suddenly started touching a waitress who's giving me food...

Totally.. and Yeah, I'm pretty sure touching breasts/butts is not allowed.

But if it does happen, they can't sue the company for not doing anything.

[Saleena]

Nice debate lets keep it up (:

[Upper America]

Nice debate lets keep it up (:

Got anything to add?

[Novorobo]

This^. They aren't showing any genitals, they're just showing skin.

The employees also sign a contract stating that they understand that the business is based on female sexuality and that they won't sue over sexual harassment.

Also, the fucking place discriminates against potential employees based on cup size, ffs.

"Cup size" is not a protected trait.

EDIT: And are we talking catcalling or copping a feel? The latter could be in theory be treated as a form of assault, but the former is something that cannot reasonably be banned from all private spaces. To say there's literally nowhere you can go to legally catcall, even if the one catcalled signed a contract stating it was part of the deal, borders on censorship.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'm unsure I've never actually been to one.

That reminds me, I had a question for everyone in this thread:

Is Hooters common where you guys live? Cos I've seen signs for them maybe a couple times in my life, and I don't think I've ever actually eaten there. If we had one on every corner like we have Dunkin Donuts, it might make me uncomfortable, but it doesn't seem to be that common.