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Is ''Hooters'' Degrading To Women?

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ardoki wrote:How is not wishing for harm to come to people, male or female, patriarchy?


Because your deciding for other full grown adults that they aren't allowed to make their own decisions and that you'll do it for them.

You have failed to answer my question.

I do not exclusively wish to ban it for women, I wish to ban it for men as well. How do I support patriarchy?
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:25 am

Master Shake wrote:
Ardoki wrote:The chances of that occurring are very slim. 1 in a million, probably fewer.

You fail to legitimise capitalism. Socialism is the way of the future.


They don't have the same infrastructure or opportunities to pursue either avenue.I mean god luck getting any communistic system to work in Nigeria.Just like it is just as difficult for capitalism to happen there.They need to develop more as a nation and build up the systems that could make either happen.

Now answer my question.Please.How can a woman be raped inside a building with 20 witnesses and other employees present?

I don't think the boss would just watch his girl's having sex in his establishment....

The chances of that occurring in America are also very small. You still fail to legitimise capitalism.
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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:25 am

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If you were a woman it'd explain why you object.

You take a look at the women doing the job and think
"How would I feel doing that job? Pretty degraded." then up and decide that the job is degrading.
This is a stupid way to act because it fails to acknowledge that women are not a hive mind and are, shockingly, individuals who can make their own decisions on what is and is not degrading.
Nonetheless, this is a very human and understandable mistake to make. It's one we've all done at some point. Project ourselves onto someone and assume our evaluation would be the same as theirs.

For a GUY to be saying this is utterly baffling. How on earth would you reach that conclusion?
You have no excuse.

I would not want to sell my body, neither do other people, male or female.

EDIT: Typo.

I would sell my body if there was someone to buy it. Your argument is invalid.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:26 am

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because your deciding for other full grown adults that they aren't allowed to make their own decisions and that you'll do it for them.

You have failed to answer my question.

I do not exclusively wish to ban it for women, I wish to ban it for men as well. How do I support patriarchy?


So it is not just adult women who you think cannot make their own decisions, but all adults.
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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:26 am

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because your deciding for other full grown adults that they aren't allowed to make their own decisions and that you'll do it for them.

You have failed to answer my question.

I do not exclusively wish to ban it for women, I wish to ban it for men as well. How do I support patriarchy?

Then you support abolition of free will, which is even worse.
Grow up already.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:27 am

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because your deciding for other full grown adults that they aren't allowed to make their own decisions and that you'll do it for them.

You have failed to answer my question.

I do not exclusively wish to ban it for women, I wish to ban it for men as well. How do I support patriarchy?


As arguments go
"No no, i'm even WORSE than the patriarchy!"
Has to be tied for the absolute shittest i've seen on NSG.

It's right up there with
"My nazi friend told me so."

And a few others. It's a big community up there at number 1, but yours is right up there.
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:27 am

Ardoki wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
They don't have the same infrastructure or opportunities to pursue either avenue.I mean god luck getting any communistic system to work in Nigeria.Just like it is just as difficult for capitalism to happen there.They need to develop more as a nation and build up the systems that could make either happen.

Now answer my question.Please.How can a woman be raped inside a building with 20 witnesses and other employees present?

I don't think the boss would just watch his girl's having sex in his establishment....

The chances of that occurring in America are also very small. You still fail to legitimise capitalism.


Dude..WTF...are you like 13 or something?

How do I fail at legitimizing capitalism in America?Its already worked!

It might not be perfect,but no system is.Just like the USSR sucked!

Now answer my question please!!!!!!
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:27 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ardoki wrote:You have failed to answer my question.

I do not exclusively wish to ban it for women, I wish to ban it for men as well. How do I support patriarchy?


So it is not just adult women who you think cannot make their own decisions, but all adults.

There are certain decisions, people should not be allowed to make. Since it can lead to harm, for them, or others.
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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:27 am

Ardoki wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
They don't have the same infrastructure or opportunities to pursue either avenue.I mean god luck getting any communistic system to work in Nigeria.Just like it is just as difficult for capitalism to happen there.They need to develop more as a nation and build up the systems that could make either happen.

Now answer my question.Please.How can a woman be raped inside a building with 20 witnesses and other employees present?

I don't think the boss would just watch his girl's having sex in his establishment....

The chances of that occurring in America are also very small. You still fail to legitimise capitalism.

Please, just to solidify my suspicions, define socialism for me.

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Postby Piddleass » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:28 am

I think the question is redundant, really, because if someone thinks it's degrading, they won't work there.

Take into account some girls work there for years, long after they gain enough money to move on. Only other people find it 'degrading' because of their own morals.

I say to those people Keep your nose out! It isn't up to you to pick holes in people's choices, and it isn't up to you to enforce your own morals on to others.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:28 am

Ardoki wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
So it is not just adult women who you think cannot make their own decisions, but all adults.

There are certain decisions, people should not be allowed to make. Since it can lead to harm, for them, or others.


Then who do you propose make them?
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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:29 am

Piddleass wrote:I think the question is redundant, really, because if someone thinks it's degrading, they won't work there.

Take into account some girls work there for years, long after they gain enough money to move on. Only other people find it 'degrading' because of their own morals.

I say to those people Keep your nose out! It isn't up to you to pick holes in people's choices, and it isn't up to you to enforce your own morals on to others.

That's a nice first post.

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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:29 am

Master Shake wrote:
Ardoki wrote:The chances of that occurring in America are also very small. You still fail to legitimise capitalism.


Dude..WTF...are you like 13 or something?

How do I fail at legitimizing capitalism in America?Its already worked!

It might not be perfect,but no system is.Just like the USSR sucked!

Now answer my question please!!!!!!

Capitalism in America hasn't worked. America has the highest inequality and poverty of any developed country. The Nordic countries who are social democracies, have performed far better with their less-capitalistic system.

We should stop now, this has gone off-topic.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:30 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ardoki wrote:There are certain decisions, people should not be allowed to make. Since it can lead to harm, for them, or others.


Then who do you propose make them?


Brady allmighty.
I'd better go grab the clip from inherit the wind.
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:31 am

Camelza wrote:
Ardoki wrote:The chances of that occurring in America are also very small. You still fail to legitimise capitalism.

Please, just to solidify my suspicions, define socialism for me.

Public control and ownership over the MoP.

Furthermore, a lot of socialists also include democratic control over the MoP as part of the definition. However I just wanted to stick to the most widely used definition.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:31 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Then who do you propose make them?


Brady allmighty.
I'd better go grab the clip from inherit the wind.


Shit, I was hoping it would be me. :twisted:
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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:31 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ardoki wrote:There are certain decisions, people should not be allowed to make. Since it can lead to harm, for them, or others.


Then who do you propose make them?


The communist leader or Czar since the kid is a commie....who else Big Jim?

I mean he doesn't want a president or somebody making the decision...
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:32 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ardoki wrote:There are certain decisions, people should not be allowed to make. Since it can lead to harm, for them, or others.


Then who do you propose make them?

Some kind of authority who genuinely cares about the people and society. A person such as myself for example.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
Geilinor wrote:It isn't degrading, the workers want to be there.

Just like sweatshop workers are want to work in a sweat shop (because they would starve if they didn't).

These women have the choice of unemployment, or their degradation. It is the same with prostitution, they do it because they have to make ends-meet.


They could work at a supermarket or become a telemarketer or something if they were really determined to get a job that doesn't sexualize them.
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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
Camelza wrote:Please, just to solidify my suspicions, define socialism for me.

Public control and ownership over the MoP.

Define public.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Then who do you propose make them?

Some kind of authority who genuinely cares about the people and society. A person such as myself for example.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam1fbQmA_s

Is all I need to say to that. You have become a Musical villain, and you didn't even sing for us. I am disappoint.
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Postby Camelza » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Then who do you propose make them?

Some kind of authority who genuinely cares about the people and society. A person such as myself for example.

Ahahahahahaha, this is golden, bless you.

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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
We should stop now, this has gone off-topic.


Okay then please answer my earlier question.

How is it possible to rape a girl inside of a Hooter's with 20 guests and other workers present?

Please I think if you answer it we will return to the roots of the topic...
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Postby Caverna » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:34 am

How can it be? Working there isn't mandatory.

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Postby Master Shake » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:34 am

Ardoki wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Then who do you propose make them?

Some kind of authority who genuinely cares about the people and society. A person such as myself for example.


Damn dude.You have quite the ego...
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