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Postby Zakza » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:59 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Although really, it'd be better to change the name.



Oh, come on, think of the stuff that could come out of it.

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Postby 4years » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:59 pm

Viritica wrote:Cool, I guess. Now they can think of a real name.

Washington Jews, anyone?


No, the Jews are New York team.

Washington Politicians, with an Obama mascot as an added extra.
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Postby Llamalandia » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:59 pm

Wow. Lol. No. Freedom of speech. Sure it's racist by so what? The United States of America doesn't do this. We don't restrict speech. He'll we let the sons of confederate vets put the stars and bars on licenses plates and let the kkk a racially biased (former?) terrorist organization adopt a stretch a highway. Is it racist? Yes. Blatantly so? Yeah. Do people really care that much? No not really their are some a rather small minority, but still they feel rightly aggrieved by the redskins and that's fine. It's their prerogative. However it's not the job of the us fed govt to change football team names (effectively).

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Llamalandia wrote:Wow. Lol. No. Freedom of speech. Sure it's racist by so what? The United States of America doesn't do this. We don't restrict speech. He'll we let the sons of confederate vets put the stars and bars on licenses plates and let the kkk a racially biased (former?) terrorist organization adopt a stretch a highway. Is it racist? Yes. Blatantly so? Yeah. Do people really care that much? No not really their are some a rather small minority, but still they feel rightly aggrieved by the redskins and that's fine. It's their prerogative. However it's not the job of the us fed govt to change football team names (effectively).

They aren't being forced to change their name, they just can't trademark it. It's a way of making it harder to profit off of derogatory terms.
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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:01 pm

Llamalandia wrote:Wow. Lol. No. Freedom of speech. Sure it's racist by so what? The United States of America doesn't do this. We don't restrict speech. He'll we let the sons of confederate vets put the stars and bars on licenses plates and let the kkk a racially biased (former?) terrorist organization adopt a stretch a highway. Is it racist? Yes. Blatantly so? Yeah. Do people really care that much? No not really their are some a rather small minority, but still they feel rightly aggrieved by the redskins and that's fine. It's their prerogative. However it's not the job of the us fed govt to change football team names (effectively).

I'm really interested in hearing you connect the dots as to how a decision by a patent board prevents Snyder from naming the team whatever he wants.
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Llamalandia wrote:Wow. Lol. No. Freedom of speech. Sure it's racist by so what? The United States of America doesn't do this. We don't restrict speech.

Uh, Llama? The courts have repeatedly ruled that we can restrict commercial speech, which trademarks are.
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Postby Llamalandia » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:04 pm

All this is effectively a sort of implicit prior restraint on free speech. Anyway it's also highly violative of of equal protection. That said the office might have found some back door way to cancel the trademark to at least give some appearance of propriety, yet it looks as though they fairly straightforwardly said essentially " the USA approves of one kind of commercial speech and not another." I can foresee this making it to SCOTUS eventually.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:06 pm

Llamalandia wrote:All this is effectively a sort of implicit prior restraint on free speech. Anyway it's also highly violative of of equal protection. That said the office might have found some back door way to cancel the trademark to at least give some appearance of propriety, yet it looks as though they fairly straightforwardly said essentially " the USA approves of one kind of commercial speech and not another." I can foresee this making it to SCOTUS eventually.

I admit, I grinned a little.
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Llamalandia wrote:All this is effectively a sort of implicit prior restraint on free speech. Anyway it's also highly violative of of equal protection. That said the office might have found some back door way to cancel the trademark to at least give some appearance of propriety, yet it looks as though they fairly straightforwardly said essentially " the USA approves of one kind of commercial speech and not another." I can foresee this making it to SCOTUS eventually.

There's no backdoor, take a look at the Patent Office's rules.
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Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Llamalandia wrote:Wow. Lol. No. Freedom of speech. Sure it's racist by so what? The United States of America doesn't do this. We don't restrict speech.

Uh, Llama? The courts have repeatedly ruled that we can restrict commercial speech, which trademarks are.


Yes it's true or rather that used to be through roughly the 80s since then courts including the supreme have actually been shying away from excepting commercial speech from 1st amend protection, and I look for this court to possibly abandon the central Hudson test altogether in the near future.

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Postby Viritica » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:11 pm

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Viritica wrote:The state of Washington isn't Washington DC. None of those names are fitting.
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The Redskins' hometown is Washington, DC...

I know that. I didn't say it was.
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Llamalandia wrote:All this is effectively a sort of implicit prior restraint on free speech. Anyway it's also highly violative of of equal protection. That said the office might have found some back door way to cancel the trademark to at least give some appearance of propriety, yet it looks as though they fairly straightforwardly said essentially " the USA approves of one kind of commercial speech and not another." I can foresee this making it to SCOTUS eventually.

There's no backdoor, take a look at the Patent Office's rules.


Surely there must have been something? Say its a generically racist term. It wouldn't be struck on account of being racist rather, it would be argued that the mark itself is now essentially use in a generic sense and hence no longer allowed to be protected.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:12 pm

Llamalandia wrote:All this is effectively a sort of implicit prior restraint on free speech.


No, it isn't. Nobody is stating that they cannot call the team whatever they want.

Anyway it's also highly violative of of equal protection.


No.

That said the office might have found some back door way to cancel the trademark to at least give some appearance of propriety, yet it looks as though they fairly straightforwardly said essentially " the USA approves of one kind of commercial speech and not another."


You cannot trademark terms that are patently offensive. This is basic law, and has been for some years now.

I can foresee this making it to SCOTUS eventually.


Doubtful that the NFL will think that it's worth the expense.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:12 pm

Viritica wrote:
Dyakovo wrote: :palm:
The Redskins' hometown is Washington, DC...

I know that. I didn't say it was.

Yes....you....you very clearly did.
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Llamalandia wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Uh, Llama? The courts have repeatedly ruled that we can restrict commercial speech, which trademarks are.


Yes it's true or rather that used to be through roughly the 80s since then courts including the supreme have actually been shying away from excepting commercial speech from 1st amend protection, and I look for this court to possibly abandon the central Hudson test altogether in the near future.


As they're still allowed to call the team whatever they want to call it, the First Amendment doesn't apply.

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Viritica wrote:I know that. I didn't say it was.

Yes....you....you very clearly did.

No... I... I... Didn't. Your reading comprehension is subpar.
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Geilinor wrote:There's no backdoor, take a look at the Patent Office's rules.


Surely there must have been something?

No. You need to read the article again.
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Gaelic Celtia wrote:Yes....you....you very clearly did.

No... I... I... Didn't. Your reading comprehension is subpar.

You said names relating to the US federal government didn't work because "this is Washington state, not Washington, D.C."
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Viritica wrote:Cool, I guess. Now they can think of a real name.

Washington Jews, anyone?


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Just like the NJ Devils. Pittsburgh Pirates. Minnesota Vikings.

Get over it. Try solving real problems.

I love the irony of demanding national rights for a race or creed isn't racism or discrimination but naming a football team Redskins is. Subjective much?

Devil, pirate, and viking aren't racist terms.

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Viritica wrote:No... I... I... Didn't. Your reading comprehension is subpar.

You said names relating to the US federal government didn't work because "this is Washington state, not Washington, D.C."

Exactly.
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Gaelic Celtia wrote:Yes....you....you very clearly did.

No... I... I... Didn't. Your reading comprehension is subpar.

So you didnt say this then?

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Agritum wrote:Washington Congressmen.

Washington Founding Fathers.

Washington Presidents.

The state of Washington isn't Washington DC. None of those names are fitting.
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Viritica wrote:Cool, I guess. Now they can think of a real name.

Washington Jews, anyone?


Washington Wetbacks.

Washington Crackers.
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Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Viritica wrote:No... I... I... Didn't. Your reading comprehension is subpar.

So you didnt say this then?

Viritica wrote:The state of Washington isn't Washington DC. None of those names are fitting.

Yes, I did.
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Viritica wrote:Cool, I guess. Now they can think of a real name.

Washington Jews, anyone?


Washington Wetbacks.

Hey now I said it first! :p
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