United States Almost had Universal Health Care

[The Sotoan Union]

Partial socialism?

He clearly isn't familiar with the work of von Mises and the revelation that there is no 'partial socialism', or mixed markets for that matter. Only free enterprise and communism.

Why can't there be a mix?

[Farnhamia]

He clearly isn't familiar with the work of von Mises and the revelation that there is no 'partial socialism', or mixed markets for that matter. Only free enterprise and communism.

Why can't there be a mix?

That's disgusting. Mixing is not allowed ... wait, of socialism and capitalism? Well, I suppose ...

[The Sotoan Union]

Why can't there be a mix?

That's disgusting. Mixing is not allowed ... wait, of socialism and capitalism? Well, I suppose ...

What do you have against mixed tapes?

[Farnhamia]

That's disgusting. Mixing is not allowed ... wait, of socialism and capitalism? Well, I suppose ...

What do you have against mixed tapes?

They get all tangled and gummed up and you end up throwing away half the roll.

[The Sotoan Union]

What do you have against mixed tapes?

They get all tangled and gummed up and you end up throwing away half the roll.

Surely you at least mix sodas? Coke and Hi-C?

[Farnhamia]

They get all tangled and gummed up and you end up throwing away half the roll.

Surely you at least mix sodas? Coke and Hi-C?

I have been known to have a mixed drink now and then. Alright, you can have mixing.

[Sociobiology]

In Farhamia's case, I posted him link to some official study about dying people care in British hospitals, and he answered literally few minutes after, that it can't be applied in this topic.
Even when is obvious that he simply COULDN'T read it.

What I said, 12 minutes later, was "What you provide is disturbing but as I replied to the other person above, I don't see how it invalidates the entire NHS system. The RCP study has to do with terminal patients, not everyone, thought the other article does speak of one 22-year-old."

it would also be important to show if the US is any better.
I mean we had hospitals literally dumping poor patients on the street and some bed-ridden patients getting eaten alive by ants in their beds.

[Farnhamia]

What I said, 12 minutes later, was "What you provide is disturbing but as I replied to the other person above, I don't see how it invalidates the entire NHS system. The RCP study has to do with terminal patients, not everyone, thought the other article does speak of one 22-year-old."

it would also be important to show if the US is any better.
I mean we had hospitals literally dumping poor patients on the street and some bed-ridden patients getting eaten alive by ants in their beds.

I'm sure we did. The exchange came about from a remark by Ifreann, something like, "If only there had been a universal health care system the US could have looked at to see if it caused economic collapse" (or something like that). I'm not sure who brought up the British NHS first but Socialist Czechia declared it to be awful and I challenged him for sources. So the question isn't really "whose health care system sucks worse?" it's whether the NHS has done actual harm to Great Britain and whether it's as bad as SC makes it out to be.

[Ifreann]

Nixon also had an idea for universal health care.

Did it involved heads in jars?

[Sociobiology]

it would also be important to show if the US is any better.
I mean we had hospitals literally dumping poor patients on the street and some bed-ridden patients getting eaten alive by ants in their beds.

I'm sure we did. The exchange came about from a remark by Ifreann, something like, "If only there had been a universal health care system the US could have looked at to see if it caused economic collapse" (or something like that). I'm not sure who brought up the British NHS first but Socialist Czechia declared it to be awful and I challenged him for sources. So the question isn't really "whose health care system sucks worse?" it's whether the NHS has done actual harm to Great Britain and whether it's as bad as SC makes it out to be.

well the answer is the US sucks worse AND costs more. http://www.bit.ly/1nKrLYQ
you will not find ANY healthcare system without problems, its the law of large numbers combines with greedy lazy people.

beware the perfect solution fallacy.

[The Sotoan Union]

Nixon also had an idea for universal health care.

Did it involved heads in jars?

How about a new robot body. Am I right headless clone of Agnu?

[Nervium]

I'm sure we'd have a host of economic problems to go with it that we would have to deal with over the decades. History would certainly be different, but can we honestly day better? Too many variables.

If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.

Look at the smoldering remains of the UK after they started the NHS.

[Socialist Tera]

It is a disgrace that the US lacks Universal Health Care.

[Estraska]

With any new system you have kinks in it. But in all honesty, I like a open system where your not forced to get health care. It violates our freedoms, but I like the idea of all of the worthless bums on our system to start paying for something. So in all honesty, I am for it as long as it doesn't step on my freedoms too much.

[Viritica]

Why can't there be a mix?

That's disgusting. Mixing is not allowed ... wait, of socialism and capitalism? Well, I suppose ...

>mixed economy

I prefer to have as little socialism as possible. But some is alright...

[Viritica]

It is a disgrace that the US lacks Universal Health Care.

Not exactly. Plenty of wealthy and successful countries don't have universal healthcare.

For example, Switzerland.

[Caverna]

It is a disgrace that the US lacks Universal Health Care.

Disgrace in your opinion because universal health care isn't mandatory in any way.

[Socialist Tera]

It is a disgrace that the US lacks Universal Health Care.

Not exactly. Plenty of wealthy and successful countries don't have universal healthcare.

For example, Switzerland.

Honestly, we should not put wealth and success over the well-being of our own citizens.

[Viritica]

Not exactly. Plenty of wealthy and successful countries don't have universal healthcare.

For example, Switzerland.

Honestly, we should not put wealth and success over the well-being of our own citizens.

That wasn't what I was saying. My point was simply that plenty of thriving countries don't have universal healthcare. Switzerland is one of them, and it's citizens are doing fine. I mean, it's probably because most of them are rich... But... Still...

[Viritica]

If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.

Look at the smoldering remains of the UK after they started the NHS.

The UK's not doing at all well these days so I don't see what you're getting at.

[Socialist Tera]

It is a disgrace that the US lacks Universal Health Care.

Disgrace in your opinion because universal health care isn't mandatory in any way.

You are talking to a person who would ban private health practice, considering that Cuban life expectancy is higher and infant mortality is lower than the US shows the failures of the US system.

[Cyyro]

Personally I think Universal Health Care would benefit the middle class more than the poor. (In the US)

[Caverna]

Not exactly. Plenty of wealthy and successful countries don't have universal healthcare.

For example, Switzerland.

Honestly, we should not put wealth and success over the well-being of our own citizens.

Switzerland health insurance is affordable for people living there.

[Socialist Czechia]

it would also be important to show if the US is any better.
I mean we had hospitals literally dumping poor patients on the street and some bed-ridden patients getting eaten alive by ants in their beds.

Of course, ANY Universal Health Care is always thousand times better than none at all. I didn't say any word alone that I am in support of private health care.

But anyone has right to criticize public health care in case it can be better. Why to be just fine with it's simple existence?
Why to shut the mouth, when people constantly tend to abuse the system, be it too much officials just sitting and screwing around without doing any work or people too enthusiastic (eufemism) with their public health care privileges?

So let's make it clear, NHS can be much better but no matter how many problems it has, it's thousand times better than not have any public health care. Nuff said.

I simply forgot, that people around tend to hate public health care as a general idea, since I consider it's existence as simple humanity's progress, as normal, usual thing, and USA without health care is like 19th century topic. Something totally far away.

[Socialist Tera]

Honestly, we should not put wealth and success over the well-being of our own citizens.

Switzerland health insurance is affordable for people living there.

For now, if there is an economic repression or depression, it is too market dependent.