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Postby Lalaki » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:55 am

Truman Library wrote:On November 19, 1945, only 7 months into his presidency, Harry S. Truman sent a Presidential message to the United States Congress proposing a new national health care program. In his message, Truman argued that the federal government should play a role in health care, saying "The health of American children, like their education, should be recognized as a definite public responsibility." One of the chief aims of President Truman's plan was to insure that all communities, regardless of their size or income level, had access to doctors and hospitals. President Truman emphasized the urgent need for such measures, asserting that "About 1,200 counties, 40 percent of the total in the country, with some 15,000,000 people, have either no local hospital, or none that meets even the minimum standards of national professional associations. "

President Truman's plan was to improve the state of health care in the United States by addressing five separate issues. The first issue was the lack of doctors, dentists, nurses, and other health professionals in many rural or otherwise lower-income areas of the United States. He saw that "the earning capacity of the people in some communities makes it difficult if not impossible for doctors who practice there to make a living." He proposed to attract doctors to the areas that needed them with federal funding. The second problem that Mr. Truman aimed to correct was the lack of quality hospitals in rural and lower-income counties. He proposed to provide government funds for the construction of new hospitals across the country. To insure only quality hospitals were built, the plan also called for the creation of national standards for hospitals and other health centers. Mr. Truman's third initiative was closely tied to the first two. It called for a board of doctors and public officials to be created. This board would create standards for hospitals and ensure that new hospitals met these standards. The board would also be responsible for directing federal funds into medical research.

The most controversial aspect of the plan was the proposed national health insurance plan. In his November 19, 1945 address, President Truman called for the creation of a national health insurance fund to be run by the federal government. This fund would be open to all Americans, but would remain optional. Participants would pay monthly fees into the plan, which would cover the cost of any and all medical expenses that arose in a time of need. The government would pay for the cost of services rendered by any doctor who chose to join the program. In addition, the insurance plan would give a cash balance to the policy holder to replace wages lost due to illness or injury.


http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversar ... rogram.htm

President Harry S. Truman proposed that we adopt a national program all the way back in 1945. Had Congress approved, we would be on the level of the rest of the industrial world. Instead they rejected, and we are struggling with our current system. I really wish this was adopted so that health insurance would be a non-issue.

But what say you?
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:25 am

I'm sure we'd have a host of economic problems to go with it that we would have to deal with over the decades. History would certainly be different, but can we honestly day better? Too many variables.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:28 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:I'm sure we'd have a host of economic problems to go with it that we would have to deal with over the decades. History would certainly be different, but can we honestly day better? Too many variables.

If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:28 am

There are much better 'what ifs' or 'had almost beens' than a policy that will probably come to the US in the next 50 years or so.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:I'm sure we'd have a host of economic problems to go with it that we would have to deal with over the decades. History would certainly be different, but can we honestly day better? Too many variables.

If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.

If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:31 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.

If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.

You need cultural homogeneity for universal healthcare to work? Fascinating.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.

You need cultural homogeneity for universal healthcare to work? Fascinating.

People like paying taxes if the money goes to people like them. They complain if it doesn't.

http://www.demos.org/blog/1/21/14/will- ... -democracy

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:37 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If only there were other countries with universal healthcare that you could look at to determine whether such a program would, in fact, bring about economic doom.

If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.

Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:38 am

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The Sotoan Union wrote:If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.

Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

So just give up and let the Soviet Union become the dominant world power and go back to isolationism. Interesting thought.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:40 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:If only those other countries has similar conditions to the US. You know with a culturally heterogenous society and the larger population and the Cold War to pay for.

Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

You mean, like, two guys sitting in the State Department cafeteria one day in 1949 deciding that if they didn't think of something to have an on-going crisis about they might lose their jobs? Nah ...
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The Sotoan Union wrote:
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

So just give up and let the Soviet Union become the dominant world power and go back to isolationism. Interesting thought.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:41 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

So just give up and let the Soviet Union become the dominant world power and go back to isolationism. Interesting thought.

Well, it worked for ... hmmm, no, that's not ... oh, how about ... tsk, not them either. *summons Guards* Take him away.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:43 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You need cultural homogeneity for universal healthcare to work? Fascinating.

People like paying taxes if the money goes to people like them. They complain if it doesn't.

http://www.demos.org/blog/1/21/14/will- ... -democracy

People always complain about taxes.


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Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

You mean, like, two guys sitting in the State Department cafeteria one day in 1949 deciding that if they didn't think of something to have an on-going crisis about they might lose their jobs? Nah ...

Course not. It was the Director's office.
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Ifreann wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:People like paying taxes if the money goes to people like them. They complain if it doesn't.

http://www.demos.org/blog/1/21/14/will- ... -democracy

People always complain about taxes.


Farnhamia wrote:You mean, like, two guys sitting in the State Department cafeteria one day in 1949 deciding that if they didn't think of something to have an on-going crisis about they might lose their jobs? Nah ...

Course not. It was the Director's office.

It's a real phenomenon. I found this economic thesis on it if that helps.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~xxl068000/TaxMorale.pdf

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Postby Scholmeria » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:45 am

Lalaki wrote:
Truman Library wrote:On November 19, 1945, only 7 months into his presidency, Harry S. Truman sent a Presidential message to the United States Congress proposing a new national health care program. In his message, Truman argued that the federal government should play a role in health care, saying "The health of American children, like their education, should be recognized as a definite public responsibility." One of the chief aims of President Truman's plan was to insure that all communities, regardless of their size or income level, had access to doctors and hospitals. President Truman emphasized the urgent need for such measures, asserting that "About 1,200 counties, 40 percent of the total in the country, with some 15,000,000 people, have either no local hospital, or none that meets even the minimum standards of national professional associations. "

President Truman's plan was to improve the state of health care in the United States by addressing five separate issues. The first issue was the lack of doctors, dentists, nurses, and other health professionals in many rural or otherwise lower-income areas of the United States. He saw that "the earning capacity of the people in some communities makes it difficult if not impossible for doctors who practice there to make a living." He proposed to attract doctors to the areas that needed them with federal funding. The second problem that Mr. Truman aimed to correct was the lack of quality hospitals in rural and lower-income counties. He proposed to provide government funds for the construction of new hospitals across the country. To insure only quality hospitals were built, the plan also called for the creation of national standards for hospitals and other health centers. Mr. Truman's third initiative was closely tied to the first two. It called for a board of doctors and public officials to be created. This board would create standards for hospitals and ensure that new hospitals met these standards. The board would also be responsible for directing federal funds into medical research.

The most controversial aspect of the plan was the proposed national health insurance plan. In his November 19, 1945 address, President Truman called for the creation of a national health insurance fund to be run by the federal government. This fund would be open to all Americans, but would remain optional. Participants would pay monthly fees into the plan, which would cover the cost of any and all medical expenses that arose in a time of need. The government would pay for the cost of services rendered by any doctor who chose to join the program. In addition, the insurance plan would give a cash balance to the policy holder to replace wages lost due to illness or injury.


http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversar ... rogram.htm

President Harry S. Truman proposed that we adopt a national program all the way back in 1945. Had Congress approved, we would be on the level of the rest of the industrial world. Instead they rejected, and we are struggling with our current system. I really wish this was adopted so that health insurance would be a non-issue.

But what say you?

What is the problem with the American healthcare system? What syste to they have instead of Universal Health care?
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:53 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:So just give up and let the Soviet Union become the dominant world power and go back to isolationism. Interesting thought.

Hmm yes, that was always extremely plausible when the country was set back maybe 10-15 years by the Second World War and didn't have the manpower to conquer much of anything it didn't hold by 1945. Barely even held Eastern Europe in the fifties.
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Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Maybe the Cold War wasn't necessary in the slightest, and was instead a result of American civil servants having nothing better to do.

You mean, like, two guys sitting in the State Department cafeteria one day in 1949 deciding that if they didn't think of something to have an on-going crisis about they might lose their jobs? Nah ...

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Allet Klar Chefs wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:So just give up and let the Soviet Union become the dominant world power and go back to isolationism. Interesting thought.

Hmm yes, that was always extremely plausible when the country was set back maybe 10-15 years by the Second World War and didn't have the manpower to conquer much of anything it didn't hold by 1945. Barely even held Eastern Europe in the fifties.
Farnhamia wrote:You mean, like, two guys sitting in the State Department cafeteria one day in 1949 deciding that if they didn't think of something to have an on-going crisis about they might lose their jobs? Nah ...

"How them Dulles boys gon' get outta this one?" *banjo plays*

Didn't have the manpower? You're kidding right? They could split an atom in 1949, and put up a spaceship in 1959. I think they could do something as simple as have some conscripts take over Eastern Europe.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:55 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People always complain about taxes.



Course not. It was the Director's office.

It's a real phenomenon. I found this economic thesis on it if that helps.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~xxl068000/TaxMorale.pdf

I can easily believe that people complain more when their taxes are benefiting people they don't like.
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Postby Lalaki » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:56 am

Scholmeria wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversar ... rogram.htm

President Harry S. Truman proposed that we adopt a national program all the way back in 1945. Had Congress approved, we would be on the level of the rest of the industrial world. Instead they rejected, and we are struggling with our current system. I really wish this was adopted so that health insurance would be a non-issue.

But what say you?

What is the problem with the American healthcare system? What syste to they have instead of Universal Health care?


We have a system where we pay for health care through insurance companies. Many people can't afford it. For them, Medicaid has been established. But since some states are opting out of the expansion of Medicaid (calling the PPACA "socialism"), many are and will continue to be ineligible for this coverage.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:58 am

Scholmeria wrote:What is the problem with the American healthcare system? What syste to they have instead of Universal Health care?

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Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:What a tragedy. We could've killed the Constitution much sooner than 2010, if it weren't for those slave-driving Kochbots.

The Zeroth Amendment: No healthcare for dirty poors.
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Ifreann wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:It's a real phenomenon. I found this economic thesis on it if that helps.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~xxl068000/TaxMorale.pdf

I can easily believe that people complain more when their taxes are benefiting people they don't like.

Well the US doesn't like itself.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:05 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I can easily believe that people complain more when their taxes are benefiting people they don't like.

Well the US doesn't like itself.

I'm sure. Other countries get that too. We still manage to fund our governments, which we also don't like.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:12 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:Didn't have the manpower? You're kidding right?

No, just knowledgeable about the health of the USSR in the forties and fifties.

The working-and-soldiering aged male population was completely devastated. About fifteen million able-bodied soldiers died, and plenty more were maimed physically or mentally. Then you have all of the civilians who were killed, which is usually taken to about double that figure. That's a very big deal for any country, let alone one which had only just recovered from its own civil war by the time the second world war came around.

If you look at many Eastern European places like Ukraine, Russia and Estonia, even now, the female population is significantly higher than the male population, and quite a lot of that is due to the impact of the second world war.
They could split an atom in 1949, and put up a spaceship in 1959. I think they could do something as simple as have some conscripts take over Eastern Europe.

Well you might think that if you're of the Clancy school of historical thought, but that doesn't make it true.

The USSR was in horrible, horrible shape in the forties into fifties. They split the atom, but then so did the broke-ass Brits, and they weren't conquering much of anything after India left the empire. That doesn't take a terribly great amount of people.

I honestly think the Cold War empowered the USSR by giving it the image of an implacable foe more than it hurt it, especially in the early days.

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