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Would you kill if God told you to?

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Postby Nervium » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:16 pm

Depends, will he pay me dinner at a fancy restaurant afterwards, will he call back?
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:03 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:The 1798 novel Wieland deals with this issue quite well.

how?

I suggest you read the book. :p
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:12 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:how?

I suggest you read the book. :p

Please, Marquis de Sade could write better work of fiction :P.
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Postby Kaikohe » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:31 pm

If I was told by Kūkaʻilimoku, or even Kāne, I would not do it. Killing is illegal, and I would not break the law for what a deity has told me to do.
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:46 pm

I don't think God ever told anyone to kill anyone.

People heard some powerful presence urging them to kill and thought it was God, but it was either their own psyche or a demon. Maybe both.

So I would great the powerful spiritual message and say "Go to Hell".

Did you know that when Abraham imagines he is hearing God tell him to kill Isaac, the name used for God is "Elohim"? Literally, "gods". But when he is told to spare Isaac's life, the speaker is Yahweh, who tells him "I see you fear the gods (elohim)."

Abraham was raised a pagan and was used to a religion involving many gods. He was falling back into a bad habit, a terrible old way of life.
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Postby Gezi Park » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:26 pm

I don't think I can kill anyone myself but I would approve of him being killed if it's a rapist, mass murderer or child abuser.
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Postby Awacado » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:46 pm

i would give god the finger if he told me to do anything.

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Postby Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:22 pm

Donut section wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:If I thought I had the ability I'd certainly try, if only for the sake of it.


This, except killing god would be the right thing to do.


That's absurd.. if you're talking about the Abrahamic God.
By definition YHWH has no beginning and no end. The normal definitions of life and death do not apply here.
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Postby Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:32 pm

Pope Joan wrote:I don't think God ever told anyone to kill anyone.

People heard some powerful presence urging them to kill and thought it was God, but it was either their own psyche or a demon. Maybe both.

So I would great the powerful spiritual message and say "Go to Hell".

Did you know that when Abraham imagines he is hearing God tell him to kill Isaac, the name used for God is "Elohim"? Literally, "gods". But when he is told to spare Isaac's life, the speaker is Yahweh, who tells him "I see you fear the gods (elohim)."

Abraham was raised a pagan and was used to a religion involving many gods. He was falling back into a bad habit, a terrible old way of life.


Elohim is the name used for YHWH's God "entity". These are the ten Sephiroth.. namely what spoke to Isaac was likely Shekinah or YHWH's divine presence on earth.

It is said in the Talmud that YHWH isn't actually a God in his true self.. he is something higher than even that, but in order to communicate more effectively with us, he "descended" or made lower copies of himself that are known as the Elohim each embodying one aspect he possesses. Hence YHWH's title of "El Elyon" which literally means God above the stars of El. That means God of Gods roughly translated.

YHWH himself spoke to him and told him to kill Isaac to see if he would do so. Saying essentially 'I see that you fear my presence because you hearkened'.

"And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." - Genesis 22:12

Your interpretation would imply other gods exist, which is contrary to YHWH's word.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:32 pm

Sunlandic wrote:
Donut section wrote:
This, except killing god would be the right thing to do.


That's absurd.. if you're talking about the Abrahamic God.
By definition YHWH has no beginning and no end. The normal definitions of life and death do not apply here.

I have here the Blood of Christ.

As established by Schwarzenegger-Weathers Theorem, if it bleeds we can kill it.
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Postby Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:41 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Sunlandic wrote:
That's absurd.. if you're talking about the Abrahamic God.
By definition YHWH has no beginning and no end. The normal definitions of life and death do not apply here.

I have here the Blood of Christ.

As established by Schwarzenegger-Weathers Theorem, if it bleeds we can kill it.



Blood of Christ? I'll assume you are referring to Yeshua (Greek word: Jesus).

Sorry to burst the bubble of many a day churches.. but Yeshua is and always was a man. A very special man but a man none the less.

YHWH cannot be hurt in the traditional sense, or in any sense at all unless he permits it, and even then it would only go as far as he wishes it.

YHWH can literally destroy himself utterly and come back as powerful as before. He's above reason as he created reason for his creation's sake. Reason has no hold on where He dwells.

Quite literally above logic. There is no way of dealing with such an entity period, they will do what they want, when they want and however they want.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:51 pm

Sunlandic wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I have here the Blood of Christ.

As established by Schwarzenegger-Weathers Theorem, if it bleeds we can kill it.



Blood of Christ? I'll assume you are referring to Yeshua (Greek word: Jesus).

Sorry to burst the bubble of many a day churches.. but Yeshua is and always was a man. A very special man but a man none the less.

YHWH cannot be hurt in the traditional sense, or in any sense at all unless he permits it, and even then it would only go as far as he wishes it.

YHWH can literally destroy himself utterly and come back as powerful as before. He's above reason as he created reason for his creation's sake. Reason has no hold on where He dwells.

Quite literally above logic. There is no way of dealing with such an entity period, they will do what they want, when they want and however they want.

It's hard to be wowed by your acumen when you missed such an obvious jest.
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Postby Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:53 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Sunlandic wrote:

Blood of Christ? I'll assume you are referring to Yeshua (Greek word: Jesus).

Sorry to burst the bubble of many a day churches.. but Yeshua is and always was a man. A very special man but a man none the less.

YHWH cannot be hurt in the traditional sense, or in any sense at all unless he permits it, and even then it would only go as far as he wishes it.

YHWH can literally destroy himself utterly and come back as powerful as before. He's above reason as he created reason for his creation's sake. Reason has no hold on where He dwells.

Quite literally above logic. There is no way of dealing with such an entity period, they will do what they want, when they want and however they want.

It's hard to be wowed by your acumen when you missed such an obvious jest.


I sensed as much but decided to take it seriously regardless.
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Postby McCatsonia » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:56 pm

Of course not. Murder is wrong.

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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:01 pm

Depends. If it's a God of Death (aka Shinigami), that means I possess a Death Note, in which anyone's name I write down in the notebook shall die. However, Shinigami are not on the person who possesses the notebook's side.

So technically, yes. But the God in question would have to be a Shinigami.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:08 pm

Cthulu demands a blood sacrifice every now and again.
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Postby The North American-European Union » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:12 pm

God wouldn't tell you to kill anyone, so I probable would get psychiatric help.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:18 pm

Roski wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No. Any god that told me to do so would be a malevolent god, and so not someone I would be willing to obey.


Really?

God asks you to put a bullet in Hitler's head.


If it was before he committed any crime I would still not do it since he had committed no crime. After he had committed crimes I would attempt to ensure he was imprisoned. If that were not possible, I would do so only in self defense, and not because god said to do so.
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Postby SaintB » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:33 pm

If god told me to kill someone I would immediately have myself committed to a mental hospital where I'd inform the doctor that I was having schizophrenic delusions.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:05 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Roski wrote:
Really?

God asks you to put a bullet in Hitler's head.


If it was before he committed any crime I would still not do it since he had committed no crime. After he had committed crimes I would attempt to ensure he was imprisoned. If that were not possible, I would do so only in self defense, and not because god said to do so.

So if God himself appeared to you, proved his existence in a scientifically verifiable fashion, and then transported you back to 1918, gave you the chance to off Hitler, Mao and Stalin before they got into power, you wouldn't do it? Even with the full knowledge of what would happen otherwise? I mean, sure, you're risking a future involving the Red Trotskyist Empire, but given the alternative that's a risk I would take.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:20 am

Depends on the person and the reason.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:22 am

I would deny that the person who was speaking was god and accuse him it that the person who is speaking is Lucifer.

Conserative Morality wrote:Depends on the person and the reason.


This too.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:38 am

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
If it was before he committed any crime I would still not do it since he had committed no crime. After he had committed crimes I would attempt to ensure he was imprisoned. If that were not possible, I would do so only in self defense, and not because god said to do so.

So if God himself appeared to you, proved his existence in a scientifically verifiable fashion, and then transported you back to 1918, gave you the chance to off Hitler, Mao and Stalin before they got into power, you wouldn't do it? Even with the full knowledge of what would happen otherwise? I mean, sure, you're risking a future involving the Red Trotskyist Empire, but given the alternative that's a risk I would take.


No I would not, they had not as of yet committed any crimes, thus I would be the criminal by attempting to do so. Innocent until proven guilty, and future crimes are not current crimes. I may try and find other ways to prevent them from coming to power or prevent them from committing such acts, but I would not kill them.

More then that I would wonder why God didn't do it themself. Why does this god need me as an intermediary?
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Postby Dalcaria » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:48 am

The Lindisfarne Islands wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:Given that the Bible (God's own word) tells me not to (unless let's say this person poses a threat to my life or the lives of others, though I should definitely consider whether they can be "saved" or not), I'm going to assume that if some being told me to kill someone (innocent lets say), there is a good chance that isn't God. I believe we are supposed to trust in God's word first, not the word's of anyone else, primarily because they could be A) Satan, B) a follower of Satan (like a fallen angel perhaps?) or C) a creation of a mentally unhealthy mind. So that said, if "God" told me to kill someone, or rape them, or anything like that, I'm going to look at the Bible first because chances are that is not God telling me to do those things. And as for the "hypothetical" situation of him doing that, then that may or may not go against what the Bible already says, which kind of nullifies the "hypothetical" because it's no longer based on the same faith I follow, depending on what the Bible says (though I'm pretty sure I'm correct that it does talk against these sorts of things).


Hah! I'm atheist meaning that I would never, ever kill anyone even if god himself actually existed and told me to kill someone himself! Murder is wrong so I don't even know why 'yes' is an answer.

To everything there is a season. I'm sorry, but if it came down to "murdering" one man to save a million, I don't see how you can view that as objectively wrong. Subjectively I suppose, but not objectively. And no offense, but did you read any of my post? Because it seems like you're just trying to hack on me for my point of view and play a moral high ground because of your own beliefs. Again, killing in general is not objectively wrong, from a human perspective at least.
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