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by Christian Democrats » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:03 pm

Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.

by Benuty » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:12 pm
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by Pope Joan » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:46 pm

by Gezi Park » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:26 pm

by Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:22 pm

by Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:32 pm
Pope Joan wrote:I don't think God ever told anyone to kill anyone.
People heard some powerful presence urging them to kill and thought it was God, but it was either their own psyche or a demon. Maybe both.
So I would great the powerful spiritual message and say "Go to Hell".
Did you know that when Abraham imagines he is hearing God tell him to kill Isaac, the name used for God is "Elohim"? Literally, "gods". But when he is told to spare Isaac's life, the speaker is Yahweh, who tells him "I see you fear the gods (elohim)."
Abraham was raised a pagan and was used to a religion involving many gods. He was falling back into a bad habit, a terrible old way of life.

by Sun Wukong » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:32 pm

by Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:41 pm
Sun Wukong wrote:Sunlandic wrote:
That's absurd.. if you're talking about the Abrahamic God.
By definition YHWH has no beginning and no end. The normal definitions of life and death do not apply here.
I have here the Blood of Christ.
As established by Schwarzenegger-Weathers Theorem, if it bleeds we can kill it.

by Sun Wukong » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:51 pm
Sunlandic wrote:Sun Wukong wrote:I have here the Blood of Christ.
As established by Schwarzenegger-Weathers Theorem, if it bleeds we can kill it.
Blood of Christ? I'll assume you are referring to Yeshua (Greek word: Jesus).
Sorry to burst the bubble of many a day churches.. but Yeshua is and always was a man. A very special man but a man none the less.
YHWH cannot be hurt in the traditional sense, or in any sense at all unless he permits it, and even then it would only go as far as he wishes it.
YHWH can literally destroy himself utterly and come back as powerful as before. He's above reason as he created reason for his creation's sake. Reason has no hold on where He dwells.
Quite literally above logic. There is no way of dealing with such an entity period, they will do what they want, when they want and however they want.

by Sunlandic » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:53 pm
Sun Wukong wrote:Sunlandic wrote:
Blood of Christ? I'll assume you are referring to Yeshua (Greek word: Jesus).
Sorry to burst the bubble of many a day churches.. but Yeshua is and always was a man. A very special man but a man none the less.
YHWH cannot be hurt in the traditional sense, or in any sense at all unless he permits it, and even then it would only go as far as he wishes it.
YHWH can literally destroy himself utterly and come back as powerful as before. He's above reason as he created reason for his creation's sake. Reason has no hold on where He dwells.
Quite literally above logic. There is no way of dealing with such an entity period, they will do what they want, when they want and however they want.
It's hard to be wowed by your acumen when you missed such an obvious jest.

by Torisakia » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:01 pm

by The North American-European Union » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:12 pm

by Neutraligon » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:18 pm

by SaintB » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:33 pm

by OMGeverynameistaken » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:05 am
Neutraligon wrote:
If it was before he committed any crime I would still not do it since he had committed no crime. After he had committed crimes I would attempt to ensure he was imprisoned. If that were not possible, I would do so only in self defense, and not because god said to do so.

by Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:20 am

by Asigna » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:22 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Depends on the person and the reason.

by The Archregimancy » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:54 am

by Neutraligon » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:38 am
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
If it was before he committed any crime I would still not do it since he had committed no crime. After he had committed crimes I would attempt to ensure he was imprisoned. If that were not possible, I would do so only in self defense, and not because god said to do so.
So if God himself appeared to you, proved his existence in a scientifically verifiable fashion, and then transported you back to 1918, gave you the chance to off Hitler, Mao and Stalin before they got into power, you wouldn't do it? Even with the full knowledge of what would happen otherwise? I mean, sure, you're risking a future involving the Red Trotskyist Empire, but given the alternative that's a risk I would take.

by Dalcaria » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:48 am
The Lindisfarne Islands wrote:Dalcaria wrote:Given that the Bible (God's own word) tells me not to (unless let's say this person poses a threat to my life or the lives of others, though I should definitely consider whether they can be "saved" or not), I'm going to assume that if some being told me to kill someone (innocent lets say), there is a good chance that isn't God. I believe we are supposed to trust in God's word first, not the word's of anyone else, primarily because they could be A) Satan, B) a follower of Satan (like a fallen angel perhaps?) or C) a creation of a mentally unhealthy mind. So that said, if "God" told me to kill someone, or rape them, or anything like that, I'm going to look at the Bible first because chances are that is not God telling me to do those things. And as for the "hypothetical" situation of him doing that, then that may or may not go against what the Bible already says, which kind of nullifies the "hypothetical" because it's no longer based on the same faith I follow, depending on what the Bible says (though I'm pretty sure I'm correct that it does talk against these sorts of things).
Hah! I'm atheist meaning that I would never, ever kill anyone even if god himself actually existed and told me to kill someone himself! Murder is wrong so I don't even know why 'yes' is an answer.
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