Would You Kill Someone if God Told You To?

[Immoren]

God created us, God has absolute ownership over our lives. Simple. I will do it.

Israelites believed that it is not them who kills enemy - it is God punishing him, using hand of Israelite.

Obviously god of Israelites can claim ownership only over Israelites.

[Greater-London]

So he'd only be manipulating me as his pawn.

That's even more of a reason to say no. I'd refuse to be God's pawn. I have a lot more self-respect than that of a tool.

Which is fair enough but at the end of the day I'm presuming for this argument that God is real therefore heaven and hell are both real to. If through doing things God asks I can gain favor and then eternal happiness then i'd rather that than be damned for an eternity.

It's all well and good to say "I refuse to be Gods pawn" but if through being Gods pawn you can avoid eternal suffering then I think your actually quite foolish not to take it.

I also challenge the notion of you being "gods pawn" in this situation, after all he has given you the choice. You have to be willing to do the actions he asks your basically entering into a contract with him.

[Risottia]

God created us, God has absolute ownership over our lives. Simple. I will do it.

Israelites believed that it is not them who kills enemy - it is God punishing him, using hand of Israelite.

Obviously god of Israelites can claim ownership only over Israelites.

The Bible hints at the possibility that this hasn't always been the rule.

[Immoren]

So he'd only be manipulating me as his pawn.

That's even more of a reason to say no. I'd refuse to be God's pawn. I have a lot more self-respect than that of a tool.

Which is fair enough but at the end of the day I'm presuming for this argument that God is real therefore heaven and hell are both real to. If through doing things God asks I can gain favor and then eternal happiness then i'd rather that than be damned for an eternity.

It's all well and good to say "I refuse to be Gods pawn" but if through being Gods pawn you can avoid eternal suffering then I think your actually quite foolish not to take it.

I also challenge the notion of you being "gods pawn" in this situation, after all he has given you the choice. You have to be willing to do the actions he asks your basically entering into a contract with him.

Why should existence of YHWH prevent existence of other deities? And Nether Worlds of other Mythologies?

[Risottia]

God created us, God has absolute ownership over our lives.

Assuming this to be true (and that's quite the assumption), then he can do it himself. Why isn't he doing it himself? And moreover, WHY ME?

[Secter]

God created us, God has absolute ownership over our lives. Simple. I will do it.

Israelites believed that it is not them who kills enemy - it is God punishing him, using hand of Israelite.

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

[Ifreann]

God created us, God has absolute ownership over our lives. Simple. I will do it.

Israelites believed that it is not them who kills enemy - it is God punishing him, using hand of Israelite.

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

[Veceria]

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

I would trust the homeless guy more than the other two.

[Zottistan]

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

If God was a crazy homeless guy, it would certainly explain a lot.

[Immoren]

Obviously god of Israelites can claim ownership only over Israelites.

The Bible hints at the possibility that this hasn't always been the rule.

Bible has been edited so many times it's silly.

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

What if it's Satan whose become crazy homeless guy, because Divines have been laying off deities?

[Ifreann]

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

If God was a crazy homeless guy, it would certainly explain a lot.

What if God was one of us? Just a stranger on a bus?

[Immoren]

If God was a crazy homeless guy, it would certainly explain a lot.

What if God was one of us? Just a stranger on a bus?

Reminds me of parts of Neil Gaiman's American Gods.

[Vozt Yurkova]

Well yeah. If he spoke to me that would be proof I'm wrong about his non-existence, so I'd want to get in his good books to make up for my lack of faith.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well i dont believe in a god so no for me.

edit: Probably should have paid closer attention "believers of deity or deities" Never mind me.

[Greater-London]

Why should existence of YHWH prevent existence of other deities? And Nether Worlds of other Mythologies?

It needn't. However I'm arguing this as someone who is culturally Christian so my understanding is that this God is the Christian God. That God claims that their is no other God but them and they are omnipresent and all powerful so I would assume both those things as well.

[Cumberlanda]

If God wanted to use me as a murder weapon, it would be a worse idea than creating the dodo. It would be like using a plastic hammer as a murder weapon.

[Zottistan]

Well yeah. If he spoke to me that would be proof I'm wrong about his non-existence, so I'd want to get in his good books to make up for my lack of faith.

It doesn't prove you're wrong about it's non-existence. Maybe you're crazy. Maybe you're high. Maybe you're being lied to.

[Immoren]

Why should existence of YHWH prevent existence of other deities? And Nether Worlds of other Mythologies?

It needn't. However I'm arguing this as someone who is culturally Christian so my understanding is that this God is the Christian God. That God claims that their is no other God but them and they are omnipresent and all powerful so I would assume both those things as well.

God doesn't claim so.
Bible has been altered into monotheistic direction as history has passed.
Same with YHWHs powers and presence.

[Greater-London]

That's never a good enough argument. If God is capable of achieving his ends without killing people, killing people is an unnecessary part of God's plan.

Perhaps killing someone is part of Gods plan, perhaps he wants that person dead and for some reason known only to him he wants you to do it. Its only unnecessary because you deem it to be that might be something that God is really hot on.

Why does God have to be restricted by logic or rules? only because we as humans say he does. That's the beauty of God if you argue from a religious point of view he doesn't have to behave in a way he doesn't want to or answer a question he doesn't want to.

[Secter]

How will you know if it is really God? What if it was Satan, a master deceiver who will tell you he was God?

What if it's a crazy homeless guy?

There wouldnt be any change tbh

[Eastern Equestria]

If God existed and he told me to kill someone, I'd only do it if the person in question was terrible and deserved it. Even then, only if I'd also be granted legal immunity.

[Ifreann]

If God existed and he told me to kill someone, I'd only do it if the person in question was terrible and deserved it. Even then only if I'd also be granted legal immunity.

I don't think God can offer legal immunity. He'd have to render you unto Caesar.

[Vozt Yurkova]

It doesn't prove you're wrong about it's non-existence. Maybe you're crazy. Maybe you're high. Maybe you're being lied to.

Going on it's phrasing, for the purpose of the question we're supposing that god is actually asking us to commit murder.

[Zottistan]

That's never a good enough argument. If God is capable of achieving his ends without killing people, killing people is an unnecessary part of God's plan.

Perhaps killing someone is part of Gods plan, perhaps he wants that person dead and for some reason known only to him he wants you to do it. Its only unnecessary because you deem it to be that might be something that God is really hot on.

If God didn't want him around, he could have just not created him. Or created in a way he wouldn't outlive his usefulness to God.

"Really hot on"? A god kills people for fun, and you expect me to actually listen to it?

Why does God have to be restricted by logic or rules? only because we as humans say he does. That's the beauty of God if you argue from a religious point of view he doesn't have to behave in a way he doesn't want to or answer a question he doesn't want to.

So God is basically toddler with superpowers?

Presumably God is a reasoning agent. He thinks. And because of that, he can be held accountable and criticized for his actions.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So he'd only be manipulating me as his pawn.

That's even more of a reason to say no. I'd refuse to be God's pawn. I have a lot more self-respect than that of a tool.

Which is fair enough but at the end of the day I'm presuming for this argument that God is real therefore heaven and hell are both real to. If through doing things God asks I can gain favor and then eternal happiness then i'd rather that than be damned for an eternity.

It's all well and good to say "I refuse to be Gods pawn" but if through being Gods pawn you can avoid eternal suffering then I think your actually quite foolish not to take it.

I also challenge the notion of you being "gods pawn" in this situation, after all he has given you the choice. You have to be willing to do the actions he asks your basically entering into a contract with him.

If such a deity would punish me eternally for not following such a stupid order then they're not a deity I want to follow.

Also, you just contradicted yourself; if I refuse then being punished for eternity isn't giving me a "choice" in the matter, is it?