Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

[Hurdegaryp]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for woo the same as murder?

Plants don't have nervous systems or a brain.

Now it's true that plants are quite different from animals, but they are capable of crude forms of feeling. Plants are also capable of waging chemical warfare against each other, by the way.

[Sun Wukong]

Plants don't have nervous systems or a brain.

Now it's true that plants are quite different from animals, but they are capable of crude forms of feeling. Plants are also capable of waging chemical warfare against each other, by the way.

You know, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're going to try and elevate the status of plants, you might want to list things that aren't also true of bacteria.

[The Alma Mater]

Now it's true that plants are quite different from animals, but they are capable of crude forms of feeling. Plants are also capable of waging chemical warfare against each other, by the way.

You know, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're going to try and elevate the status of plants, you might want to list things that aren't also true of bacteria.

Why not ?
As I mentioned before, you should not reason from a "they are not X, therefor they do not deserve Y" angle; but from a "what criteria would be the minimum needed to make right Y meaningful for this being".

[Zottistan]

Plants don't have nervous systems or a brain.

Now it's true that plants are quite different from animals, but they are capable of crude forms of feeling. Plants are also capable of waging chemical warfare against each other, by the way.

Are you joking about the crude forms of feeling? If not, can I have a source?

[Sun Wukong]

You know, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're going to try and elevate the status of plants, you might want to list things that aren't also true of bacteria.

Why not ?
As I mentioned before, you should not reason from a "they are not X, therefor they do not deserve Y" angle; but from a "what criteria would be the minimum needed to make right Y meaningful for this being".

Just from a strategic point of view.

"Plants: they can do things a prokaryote can do" is not a winning slogan.

Anyway, virtually all living things have, or have basal to them, some kind of damage aversion. You poke a bacteria with a needle, it moves away from the needle. It doesn't seem to have a lot to do with "feeling" in any ethically meaningful sense. Chemical warfare is the most basic kind of warfare from an evolutionary standpoint. The degree to which plants use it is impressive, the fact of it's existence is not.

[Frisbeeteria]

Basically put if you want to leave no environmental footprint; then all you can do is DIE!
Even if you are a Vegan you would still be consuming life in some form; therefore their argument falls into abysmal stupidity!
A balance is optimal; and food choice bans make no biological sense; its a only a question of whats balanced AND sustainable!

[Infected Mushroom]

No. Human rights statutes and prohibitions against murder only apply to human children.

[Dyakovo]

No. I doubt children taste as good.

Only one way to be sure.

[Prezelly]

No, pigs slaughtered feed people. Who cares how intelligent they are?

[The Althing Confederacy]

Wow! this thread is still a going concern!?!?!
To reiterate to the peanut gallery; "MURDER" by definition;"is an unjustifiable killing!"
Killing to obtain food is entirely justifiable, (Enough said.)
To all the vegans/vegetarians out there eating plants also equals the killing of life forms, so would also be considered murder if you ignore the necessity *( and the reality that ALL LIVING things EAT other LIVING THINGS!!!).

[Zaldakki]

Wow! this thread is still a going concern!?!?!
To reiterate to the peanut gallery; "MURDER" by definition;"is an unjustifiable killing!"
Killing to obtain food is entirely justifiable, (Enough said.)
To all the vegans/vegetarians out there eating plants also equals the killing of life forms, so would also be considered murder if you ignore the necessity *( and the reality that ALL LIVING things EAT other LIVING THINGS!!!).

I agree with you but I'll play devil's advocate. What about cannibalism when you're starving to death, like, for example, the Donner Party? Isn't that still murder?

[Frisbeeteria]

Wow! this thread is still a going concern!?!?!

Yeah, because YOU dug it out of its grave. Don't do that.