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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:51 pm

Germagna wrote:The white/caucasian race makes up 20% of the world's population and it has been declining over the recent years. Will the race eventually die out?

Yes and no. While there may be a huge decrease in white population in the future, I doubt the race will die out due to certain isolated communities that will remain majority white and the changing definition of who is a white person. Unless there is a genocide against all people with white ancestry and skin color, there will still be multiracial people who have some white ancestry and because race is a social construct, some people will likely identify as white even if they some non-white ancestry, similar to how many multiracial people of European and African ancestry would just identify as black, such as the United States President, Brock Obama.

While I hope that we stay the majority in Europe because that has historically been our land, I'm not so concerned with the North and South American countries, because those countries are supposed to be 'melting pots' and the land was stolen from the Native Americans anyway.

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Well it is ultimately all a matter of opinion. If you believe in the idiotic and archaic one-drop principle then sure, “whites” will likely die out. But if you reversed the one drop rule, and said any “black” person with any “white” ancestry could not be “black”, you would eliminate nearly all “blacks” in America.

Ultimately race is the assignment of people to arbitrary, subjective categories, based on arbitrarily chosen superficial characteristics, mostly melanin levels. For example you can say Obama is “white”, as his father likely had some Arab ancestry, and his mother was all “white”, so he is likely more than 50% “white”. Of course you could say he is “black”, since his father would be considered mostly “black”. It is totally up to you, but the best thing to say is he is both white and black in my opinion.

Therefore no, whites will become the majority race, with more than 50% of the world’s population being “white”. Of course those “whites” will also be “Asians”, “blacks”, etc. as well. Racial identities will become increasingly blurred and therefore less relevant in the future.

However for the foreseeable future, the US will remain predominantly white.
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Postby Scholmeria » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:55 pm

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Scholmeria wrote:Source.

This looks like some racist myth.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=native+american+slave+owners

Yeah I tried already but there is noa any relevant source that there were so called "Indian slave owners".
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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:56 pm

Scholmeria wrote:

Yeah I tried already but there is noa any relevant source that there were so called "Indian slave owners".

I saw many.

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Postby Testing Testers » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:59 pm

Hitlers follower will make sure every race except white is destroyed to the utmost and crushed. He will not tolerate impurity.

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Postby Esternial » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:01 pm

Testing Testers wrote:Hitlers follower will make sure every race except white is destroyed to the utmost and crushed. He will not tolerate impurity.

Him being dead and all, I doubt he's in the position to tolerate anything.

A good try, though.
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:08 pm

Testing Testers wrote:Hitlers follower will make sure every race except white is destroyed to the utmost and crushed. He will not tolerate impurity.


Founded 13 minutes ago, first post you make is extremely trollish.

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Postby Herargon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:09 pm

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Testing Testers wrote:Hitlers follower will make sure every race except white is destroyed to the utmost and crushed. He will not tolerate impurity.


Founded 13 minutes ago, first post you make is extremely trollish.

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Postby Papait » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:33 pm

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Yeah I tried already but there is noa any relevant source that there were so called "Indian slave owners".


its general knowledge that aztecs had slaves, and sometimes even sacrificed them
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Not really. The three I mentioned are the major evolutionary adaptations of the last 40,000 years. We can measure that.

And, again, only one is widely used in determining race. One that is actually rather unhelpful in determining lineage.

All, however, help determine the geographic area of environment that one's ancestors are from in recent history.

Not really.

Someone who is not lactose tolerant could be from literally anywhere.
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Postby Margno » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:09 pm

Yeah, it could happen. It's possible. What do you care? No one's gonna kill you or keep you from having children. If people look a little different in a couple thousand years, who cares?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:14 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:All, however, help determine the geographic area of environment that one's ancestors are from in recent history.

Not really.

Someone who is not lactose tolerant could be from literally anywhere.

They are more likely to be from outside Europe though.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:17 pm

Papait wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:Yeah I tried already but there is noa any relevant source that there were so called "Indian slave owners".


its general knowledge that aztecs had slaves, and sometimes even sacrificed them

Thing is though, minority slave owners in colonial America were a outliers, exceptions to the rule.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:18 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Not really.

Someone who is not lactose tolerant could be from literally anywhere.

They are more likely to be from outside Europe though.

And I could draw a circle around some random Bantu village and say they're far more likely to be outside of that.

The point is racial distinctions have almost nothing to do with evolved adaptation. They're almost entirely the founder effect.
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Postby Greater-London » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:18 pm

Scholmeria wrote:Well, the reason why in America they were kept is because they were black. So, with all due respect is somehow doubt if you would tzhink as you just said.


I can assure you I would. The motivation behind an evil isn't important, whats important is how much evil is done.
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Scholmeria wrote:Well, the reason why in America they were kept is because they were black. So, with all due respect is somehow doubt if you would tzhink as you just said.


I can assure you I would. The motivation behind an evil isn't important, whats important is how much evil is done.

Motivation for a crime is every bit as important as the crime. To say otherwise is foolish, as one does not look to the end of a story to learn the whole story.

What I mean by this is, regardless of the "evil" done, the motivation for that evil gives insight on the cause and thus the solution.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:22 pm

Technically, since I'm mostly white and don't die, it's pretty well impossible for the white race to die.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:23 pm

Herskerstad wrote:[...] mixed race 'Norwegian and South American'

That is almost surely still white, even because South American is not a race.
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Postby Greater-London » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:24 pm

Condunum wrote:Motivation for a crime is every bit as important as the crime. To say otherwise is foolish, as one does not look to the end of a story to learn the whole story.

What I mean by this is, regardless of the "evil" done, the motivation for that evil gives insight on the cause and thus the solution.


I'd agree its important to learn the motivation of the crime for insight but I don't think that it should make a difference in how someone is punished or to say one is "worse" than the other. Motivation is nowhere near as important as to the actual crime commited.

For instance if I murder someone because their black I don't think its worse than me murdering someone because I felt like, or they've angered me in some way. Why should it when the damage is exactly the same?
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Condunum wrote:Motivation for a crime is every bit as important as the crime. To say otherwise is foolish, as one does not look to the end of a story to learn the whole story.

What I mean by this is, regardless of the "evil" done, the motivation for that evil gives insight on the cause and thus the solution.


I'd agree its important to learn the motivation of the crime for insight but I don't think that it should make a difference in how someone is punished or to say one is "worse" than the other. Motivation is nowhere near as important as to the actual crime commited.

For instance if I murder someone because their black I don't think its worse than me murdering someone because I felt like, or they've angered me in some way. Why should it when the damage is exactly the same?

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying motivation cannot be ignored, because it's still important to the whole story.
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Condunum wrote:Motivation for a crime is every bit as important as the crime. To say otherwise is foolish, as one does not look to the end of a story to learn the whole story.

What I mean by this is, regardless of the "evil" done, the motivation for that evil gives insight on the cause and thus the solution.


I'd agree its important to learn the motivation of the crime for insight but I don't think that it should make a difference in how someone is punished or to say one is "worse" than the other. Motivation is nowhere near as important as to the actual crime commited.

For instance if I murder someone because their black I don't think its worse than me murdering someone because I felt like, or they've angered me in some way. Why should it when the damage is exactly the same?

Because, had the circumstances been different, you would have done a different thing. The whole idea of punishment is that it's responding to you, rather than the external.
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Postby Greater-London » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:38 pm

Condunum wrote:I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying motivation cannot be ignored, because it's still important to the whole story.


You did you said that "motivation was every bit as important as the crime" it patently isn't.

I don't think motivation needs to be ignored I just think when it comes to assessing how "bad" an act was its not very important.
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Greater-London wrote:
Condunum wrote:I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying motivation cannot be ignored, because it's still important to the whole story.


You did you said that "motivation was every bit as important as the crime" it patently isn't.

I don't think motivation needs to be ignored I just think when it comes to assessing how "bad" an act was its not important.

Motivation is part of how you determine how "bad" an act was. It's almost the entire puzzle in criminal investigation.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:53 pm

I'm practically albino and I don't see why I should give a shit.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:14 pm

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Dakini wrote:Dude, you have to be racist for this to be a fear in the first place.


What, do you think that I'm the only person alive who has noticed that I have light skin and that other people who have light skin are becoming more of a minority in comparison to people who have dark skin, therefore my skin color group must be under threat?

No, I don't think you're the only person alive who has "noticed" this, you're far from the only racist. Also, white people never constituted the majority of people on the planet.

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