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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:28 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Differences such as?

Several, those in tropical areas often have sickle-cell anemia to protect against malaria, have more melanin in the skin to protect against damage from the sun, for example. The distinction that is traditionally used is wrong, it is absurd to say "if someone has X, they belong to Y race"; we need to stop looking at race as an either/or thing, and start looking at it as a sort of "flowing" (not sure that's the right word, but I can't think of a word to express what exactly I mean) thing.

In that case, it will never be valid from a taxonomic standpoint.
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Postby Zaldakki » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:28 pm

I hope the whole social construct of race will die out.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:28 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Several, those in tropical areas often have sickle-cell anemia to protect against malaria, have more melanin in the skin to protect against damage from the sun, for example. The distinction that is traditionally used is wrong, it is absurd to say "if someone has X, they belong to Y race"; we need to stop looking at race as an either/or thing, and start looking at it as a sort of "flowing" (not sure that's the right word, but I can't think of a word to express what exactly I mean) thing.

In that case, it will never be valid from a taxonomic standpoint.

That's fine, because I don't mean it to be.
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Postby Herargon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:29 pm

I don't think so.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:29 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:The distinction that is traditionally used is wrong, it is absurd to say "if someone has X, they belong to Y race"; we need to stop looking at race as an either/or thing, and start looking at it as a sort of "flowing" (not sure that's the right word, but I can't think of a word to express what exactly I mean) thing.

I think you're looking for 'spectrum'.

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Postby Antarticaria » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:30 pm

Katganistan wrote:There's only the human race. So really, it doesn't matter.


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Postby Kraannei » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:31 pm

It really doesn't matter if the "white race" dies out.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:32 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:The distinction that is traditionally used is wrong, it is absurd to say "if someone has X, they belong to Y race"; we need to stop looking at race as an either/or thing, and start looking at it as a sort of "flowing" (not sure that's the right word, but I can't think of a word to express what exactly I mean) thing.

I think you're looking for 'spectrum'.

Thank you.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:32 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:In that case, it will never be valid from a taxonomic standpoint.

That's fine, because I don't mean it to be.

Didn't say that you do.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:33 pm

It certainly will not die out, unless the odd shot of the nation of Islam's mothership theory tuns out to be true.

Will it decrease? Yes, a large portion of that will be due to mixed race appearances, don't really see it as an issue. My nephews are mixed race 'Norwegian and South American' and they've had more white girlfriends at the age of 9 than I had before 24, so I doubt the women seem to care either. :p
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:33 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
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I'd say we're BROWN, not YELLOW. Because, come on, only those Mongoloids are yellow.
Probably not, but gee, I hope not. I'd like a mixed race dominating Earth and all, but it'd be nice to have a pure sample of each still living in the world to remind me of what it used to be like.


What? Humans were probably even more diverse and separate in the past.


I know. Just want to remember how it was like right now. I don't mind if all the races blended together, but I would very much like to see some pure "samples" of each race in the future. Not racist or anything. I just like to observe humanity.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:34 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:That's fine, because I don't mean it to be.

Didn't say that you do.

The word I was thinking of was "spectrum", someone pointed it out. Not sure how much you care, but I do.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:34 pm

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Esternial wrote:sickle-cell anemia be prevalent among a certain race is mainly due to geographical distribution. Regions where malaria is common have a higher population that have sickle-cell anemia. It has little to do with race, but is more of a coincidence.

Yeah, but race is also largely due to geographic distribution.

Except having sickle-cell anemia doesn't necessarily make you a person of a particular race. There is no mutual correlation.

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Postby Lesothobourg » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:35 pm

Germagna wrote:The white/caucasian race makes up 20% of the world's population and it has been declining over the recent years. Will the race eventually die out?

Yes and no. While there may be a huge decrease in white population in the future, I doubt the race will die out due to certain isolated communities that will remain majority white and the changing definition of who is a white person. Unless there is a genocide against all people with white ancestry and skin color, there will still be multiracial people who have some white ancestry and because race is a social construct, some people will likely identify as white even if they some non-white ancestry, similar to how many multiracial people of European and African ancestry would just identify as black, such as the United States President, Brock Obama.

While I hope that we stay the majority in Europe because that has historically been our land, I'm not so concerned with the North and South American countries, because those countries are supposed to be 'melting pots' and the land was stolen from the Native Americans anyway.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:36 pm

Esternial wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yeah, but race is also largely due to geographic distribution.

Except having sickle-cell anemia doesn't necessarily make you a person of a particular race. There is no mutual correlation.

See what I said above, I don't think it's at all accurate to divide races into neat little categories, but a spectrum is probably more accurate.
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Postby Esternial » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:37 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Esternial wrote:Except having sickle-cell anemia doesn't necessarily make you a person of a particular race. There is no mutual correlation.

See what I said above, I don't think it's at all accurate to divide races into neat little categories, but a spectrum is probably more accurate.

A spectrum? So if I tanned enough I would become classified as a member of another race?

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:38 pm

Esternial wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:See what I said above, I don't think it's at all accurate to divide races into neat little categories, but a spectrum is probably more accurate.

A spectrum? So if I tanned enough I would become classified as a member of another race?

No, because of course skin color would not be the ultimate factor. I didn't mean a "color spectrum".
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Postby Voltzenkrad » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:43 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Voltzenkrad wrote:I hope the white race dies out. And the asians, hispanics, europeans and everybody else. Then we can all just be human. The human race.
So.. you want us to die?


No. I want those terms to die.
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Postby Solocon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:43 pm

Why does this even matter? Inevitably, all distinct races will eventually die out and humanity will become a hybrid of all ethnicities. That is, unless discrimination takes over/some other event like this occurs.

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Postby Solocon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:44 pm

Lesothobourg wrote:
Germagna wrote:The white/caucasian race makes up 20% of the world's population and it has been declining over the recent years. Will the race eventually die out?

Yes and no. While there may be a huge decrease in white population in the future, I doubt the race will die out due to certain isolated communities that will remain majority white and the changing definition of who is a white person. Unless there is a genocide against all people with white ancestry and skin color, there will still be multiracial people who have some white ancestry and because race is a social construct, some people will likely identify as white even if they some non-white ancestry, similar to how many multiracial people of European and African ancestry would just identify as black, such as the United States President, Brock Obama.

While I hope that we stay the majority in Europe because that has historically been our land, I'm not so concerned with the North and South American countries, because those countries are supposed to be 'melting pots' and the land was stolen from the Native Americans anyway.

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Postby Scholmeria » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:44 pm

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Vissegaard wrote:This is bullshit. Slavery was present almost in every culture of this world on a certain level of cultural development and this is damn obvious, if you look, for example, at the "enslaved black race" from Africa. If you knew the history a little bit, you´d know, that it was actually the kingdom of Benin who started the slaver business with the europeans, because they needed to do something purposeful with all the prisoners of war they have taken in the conquest of the western african coast.

And btw, I don´t believe in "races".

Also, Native Americans were slaveowners too and some of them allied with the South during the American Civil War for the same reasons.

Source.

This looks like some racist myth.
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Postby NeoColumbia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:44 pm

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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:46 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Also, Native Americans were slaveowners too and some of them allied with the South during the American Civil War for the same reasons.

Source.

This looks like some racist myth.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=native+american+slave+owners

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Postby Herargon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:49 pm

Captain Obvious here.

It would be more likely that: in countries where the birth rate is lower than the death rate or not at least the same, it will die out.

So if the 'white race' wants to survive, they need to make more children. But this goes against the idea of overpopulation - compare it with a fish in a (small) pond. The fish will grow bigger and bigger, eat everything it can eat until the fish has become too big.
So, the fish will die.

This fish-pond dilemma is representing the overpopulation problem for the WHOLE Humanity.

In aging countries with a stable and sustainable economy, this won't be a big problem if they are quite selfsustaining.

However, today most countries aren't aging and don't have stable & sustainable economies.
Thus this will finally become a problem, until we find a solution to this.

The solution is not genocide; this will result in many pointless deaths and even more waste.
Therefore, I would say that we just have to stimulate anti-conception in the countries with a higher birth ratio than a death ratio.
In the countries that are experiencing a low birth ratio and a high death ratio - thus I mean aging countries -, we need to stimulate higher birth ratios - but not too high - and to stimulate a more sustainable way of life, thus effectively lowering the waste per capita.

This makes the humanity available to survive ecologically well on the long run, I think.
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