Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Redundant, he may already be dead.

Then I would receive basic training, THEN shoot everyone I see in the base.
As you can see. Drafting ME is a BAD idea.

What the fuck did the other conscripts do in order to deserve being shot?

[Distruzio]

Serve my country? The very idea seems ridiculous to me. I don't nearly love my country enough to serve it, let alone die for it. Those sacrifices are reserved for my loved ones.

Even if the invading forces are hell-bent on killing you and those you love?

Even then.

[Volnotova]

Even if the invading forces are hell-bent on killing you and those you love?

Even then.

Is this because you disagree with the institution of conscription or because you are a pacifist? (or both)

[Phocidaea]

I picked the fourth.

What it comes down to:
If the ridiculously sexist piece of shit draft rules are still in place, then, unconditionally, on moral principles of equality (and some jealousy), flee to Canada.
If such rules are amended so that women also get drafted, then the following rules apply:
If it's peacetime, like seriously WTF is the draft on for? Flee to Canada.
If the war is a war of aggression/invasion of some shithole, flee to Canada.
If the war is an invasion by a repressive/eeevil country, then yes.
If the war is an invasion by a first-world democracy (fat chance) other than Canada, flee to Canada.
If the war is being fought by both Canada and the United States and my plan otherwise would be to flee to Canada, or if the war is an invasion by Canada, I really have no choice, eh?

In other words, most cases end with me fleeing to Canada, one ends with me in the military, and one ends with me in the Canadian military.

[The Grand World Order]

it never astounds me how easily people are saying "flee to Canada"

something tells me most of them don't have the resources or drive to actually organize a trip to Canada that wouldn't have them attract attention. Most of the draft dodgers who went to Canada had reasonably wealthy parents- then again most "the government is ebil and oppressive" types these days seem to fit into the "rich entitled white introvert" category on one end, "Obama is a Muslim terrorist" on the other, though the latter is always more than happy for the opportunity to make boom-booms.

I imagine it'd be more of an initial "I'm gonna burn my draft card" followed by a "please don't hurt me" when the police show up, or a quiet, defeated "Okay" before getting tossed into a flak and proceeding to fill sandbags.

Then I would receive basic training, THEN shoot everyone I see in the base.
As you can see. Drafting ME is a BAD idea.

I highly doubt you'd be willing to pull the trigger on another human being, or summon the actual willingness to go through the act of breaking into both the armory and the ammo supply point. That's why you're a draft-dodger in this hypothetical situation.

[Aurasia]

War is man’s greatest evil, yet it seems to be one of those things we’re really good at. Honor and glory may have existed once, but those days have long since passed. I have moral qualms with killing others, causing suffering to the innocent, and participating in aggressive conquests, yet I cannot find a reason within my heart not to fight for my homeland in its time of need.

This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

I very much agree with this post, it is a patriotic duty of everyone to defend their country. In the end we the people are responsible for the corruption of our governments, we who elect or tolerate these tainted politicians and power-hungry leaders. Despite this, we must still stand to protect or extend the ideals that make our nations what they are. The only rational conclusion I could form for my willingness to serve stems from this: If the enemy ever lands here, they most certainly will do unto us as we have done to them.

[The Sotoan Union]

Then I would receive basic training, THEN shoot everyone I see in the base.
As you can see. Drafting ME is a BAD idea.

What the fuck did the other conscripts do in order to deserve being shot?

They're evil extensions of the oppressive government. He's the only soldier who isn't, should he become a soldier.

[Arglorand]

Depends.

If my country had a draft and I was drafted, I'd serve, because fuck it, it's not like they'll get much out of my fucked up physical state anyway and some physical exercise won't hurt.

If my country is being invaded, I wouldn't serve, because my country would be overrun in two hours. I would, however, probably go out into the forests and, despite having no experience at all in any warfare, let alone guerilla warfare, try to toss rocks at any occupational forces moving around.

Sure, I'd get shot by the first passing platoon, but I honestly wouldn't want to live anymore if my poor, small, fucking retarded on some days and fucking beautiful on other days country was invaded by some arrogant expansionist douche again.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I picked the fourth.

What it comes down to:
If the ridiculously sexist piece of shit draft rules are still in place, then, unconditionally, on moral principles of equality (and some jealousy), flee to Canada.
If such rules are amended so that women also get drafted, then the following rules apply:
If it's peacetime, like seriously WTF is the draft on for? Flee to Canada.
If the war is a war of aggression/invasion of some shithole, flee to Canada.
If the war is an invasion by a repressive/eeevil country, then yes.
If the war is an invasion by a first-world democracy (fat chance) other than Canada, flee to Canada.
If the war is being fought by both Canada and the United States and my plan otherwise would be to flee to Canada, or if the war is an invasion by Canada, I really have no choice, eh?

In other words, most cases end with me fleeing to Canada, one ends with me in the military, and one ends with me in the Canadian military.

You can always flee south.

This reminds me of that Nelly Furtado song...

[Volnotova]

Depends.

If my country had a draft and I was drafted, I'd serve, because fuck it, it's not like they'll get much out of my fucked up physical state anyway and some physical exercise won't hurt.

If my country is being invaded, I wouldn't serve, because my country would be overrun in two hours. I would, however, probably go out into the forests and, despite having no experience at all in any warfare, let alone guerilla warfare, try to toss rocks at any occupational forces moving around.

Sure, I'd get shot by the first passing platoon, but I honestly wouldn't want to live anymore if my poor, small, fucking retarded on some days and fucking beautiful on other days country was invaded by some arrogant expansionist douche again.

Where are you from?

(I guess some Baltic state?)

[Northwest Slobovia]

[x] Unless the country was fighting an unjust war, sure.

I almost volunteered when I was young enough, so serving isn't a problem for me. On the other hand, given my age and health problems, if the country needs me, it's completely fucked anyway.

[Arglorand]

Depends.

If my country had a draft and I was drafted, I'd serve, because fuck it, it's not like they'll get much out of my fucked up physical state anyway and some physical exercise won't hurt.

If my country is being invaded, I wouldn't serve, because my country would be overrun in two hours. I would, however, probably go out into the forests and, despite having no experience at all in any warfare, let alone guerilla warfare, try to toss rocks at any occupational forces moving around.

Sure, I'd get shot by the first passing platoon, but I honestly wouldn't want to live anymore if my poor, small, fucking retarded on some days and fucking beautiful on other days country was invaded by some arrogant expansionist douche again.

Where are you from?

(I guess some Baltic state?)

Lithuania, yeah.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Redundant, he may already be dead.

Then I would receive basic training, THEN shoot everyone I see in the base.
As you can see. Drafting ME is a BAD idea.

Don't worry, your comment has already been scanned by the NSA, and an entry made in a very special database. Your new MOS is "barehanded mine clearance".

Anyway, you do know that soldiers out of combat rarely have access to weapons, right?

[Justin States]

I would want to serve my country if im needed..

[Volnotova]

it never astounds me how easily people are saying "flee to Canada"

something tells me most of them don't have the resources or drive to actually organize a trip to Canada that wouldn't have them attract attention. Most of the draft dodgers who went to Canada had reasonably wealthy parents- then again most "the government is ebil and oppressive" types these days seem to fit into the "rich entitled white introvert" category on one end, "Obama is a Muslim terrorist" on the other, though the latter is always more than happy for the opportunity to make boom-booms.

I imagine it'd be more of an initial "I'm gonna burn my draft card" followed by a "please don't hurt me" when the police show up, or a quiet, defeated "Okay" before getting tossed into a flak and proceeding to fill sandbags.

Then I would receive basic training, THEN shoot everyone I see in the base.
As you can see. Drafting ME is a BAD idea.

I highly doubt you'd be willing to pull the trigger on another human being, or summon the actual willingness to go through the act of breaking into both the armory and the ammo supply point. That's why you're a draft-dodger in this hypothetical situation.

Weren't you a Fascist...?

[The Grand World Order]

Weren't you a Fascist...?

*Aren't

Still am.

[Bojikami]

Yes, I would fight to defend the motherland.

[Vazdania]

I love how many liberals on here like to use the 'social contact' as a justification for having the rich pay a higher tax, and moan and complain when they don't want to, but when it comes to defending that social contract they want nothing to do with it. Typical I guess.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I love how many liberals on here like to use the 'social contact' as a justification for having the rich pay a higher tax, and moan and complain when they don't want to, but when it comes to defending that social contract they want nothing to do with it. Typical I guess.

While I'd be quite happy to point and laugh, are there actual examples of that in this thread and others on General?

[Justin States]

I picked the fourth.

What it comes down to:
If the ridiculously sexist piece of shit draft rules are still in place, then, unconditionally, on moral principles of equality (and some jealousy), flee to Canada.
If such rules are amended so that women also get drafted, then the following rules apply:
If it's peacetime, like seriously WTF is the draft on for? Flee to Canada.
If the war is a war of aggression/invasion of some shithole, flee to Canada.
If the war is an invasion by a repressive/eeevil country, then yes.
If the war is an invasion by a first-world democracy (fat chance) other than Canada, flee to Canada.
If the war is being fought by both Canada and the United States and my plan otherwise would be to flee to Canada, or if the war is an invasion by Canada, I really have no choice, eh?

In other words, most cases end with me fleeing to Canada, one ends with me in the military, and one ends with me in the Canadian military.

If the invasion was by Canada you could flee to Mexico

[Vazdania]

I love how many liberals on here like to use the 'social contact' as a justification for having the rich pay a higher tax, and moan and complain when they don't want to, but when it comes to defending that social contract they want nothing to do with it. Typical I guess.

While I'd be quite happy to point and laugh, are there actual examples of that in this thread and others on General?

I don't believe taxation has been mentioned extensively if at all untol now in this thread, although I do see a few familiar flags who state they would not serve if drafted.

[Northwest Slobovia]

While I'd be quite happy to point and laugh, are there actual examples of that in this thread and others on General?

I don't believe taxation has been mentioned extensively if at all untol now in this thread, although I do see a few familiar flags who state they would not serve if drafted.

What I mean is that are there any posters who said here "I'll dodge the draft.", but said in one of the other political threads "The rich should pay more taxes as part of the social contract."?

[Vazdania]

I don't believe taxation has been mentioned extensively if at all untol now in this thread, although I do see a few familiar flags who state they would not serve if drafted.

What I mean is that are there any posters who said here "I'll dodge the draft.", but said in one of the other political threads "The rich should pay more taxes as part of the social contract."?

Oh yes, indeed.

[Phocidaea]

I picked the fourth.

What it comes down to:
If the ridiculously sexist piece of shit draft rules are still in place, then, unconditionally, on moral principles of equality (and some jealousy), flee to Canada.
If such rules are amended so that women also get drafted, then the following rules apply:
If it's peacetime, like seriously WTF is the draft on for? Flee to Canada.
If the war is a war of aggression/invasion of some shithole, flee to Canada.
If the war is an invasion by a repressive/eeevil country, then yes.
If the war is an invasion by a first-world democracy (fat chance) other than Canada, flee to Canada.
If the war is being fought by both Canada and the United States and my plan otherwise would be to flee to Canada, or if the war is an invasion by Canada, I really have no choice, eh?

In other words, most cases end with me fleeing to Canada, one ends with me in the military, and one ends with me in the Canadian military.

If the invasion was by Canada you could flee to Mexico

I'd prefer being enslaved in syrup factories to living in Mexico

Also, I'd prefer a place where they speak-a my language.

[Distruzio]

Even then.

Is this because you disagree with the institution of conscription or because you are a pacifist? (or both)

I'm no pacifist. Conscription is involuntary servitude (though a far cry from slavery). The nation has an obligation to protect me, not the other way around. I'd only be obligated to defend myself or my family from an "invading force" once that invading force points its guns at us. Not until then.