Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

[Ifreann]

@Ifreann: Is that a real campaign poster?

I don't know, I just googled "the governator".

[Bereia]

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

U.S. draftees have always been used in combat roles right alongside volunteers, in every conflict in which the draft was used. The idea is to enlarge the whole of the military very rapidly, including having draftees trained for combat specialties and places in combat units.

[Siburria]

it depends on the reason,gov,and amount of propaganda i had consumed.

[Volnotova]

I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

Into the arms of the force hell-bent on exterminating you and your people?

God save us from the Scottish!

[The Huskar Social Union]

@Ifreann: Is that a real campaign poster?

I don't know, I just googled "the governator".

Come now, would you be surprised if it was real?

Anyway in regards to the OP, if i was drafted to fight against something similar to Nazi Germany then sure i would probably fight, though i would point out the fact that im not exactly in the ideal physical condition so it would take a while before i would be of any substantial good to the war effort. If i was drafted due to a conflict with a neighbouring country that was not Nazi Germany reborn it would depend on the reasons for the war, who started it, that kind of thing.

If i however disagreed with the war effort and its goals i would probably try and resist the draft and if that failed defect to the enemy or a neutral party first opportunity. Im not going to kill and possibly throw my life away from something i do not support. I would not want to kill anyway unless it was absolutely necessary.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

U.S. draftees have always been used in combat roles right alongside volunteers, in every conflict in which the draft was used. The idea is to enlarge the whole of the military very rapidly, including having draftees trained for combat specialties and places in combat units.

10% of the US military today is infantry, and two thirds of the US military force in WWII was conscripted. Granted, the tooth to tail ratio was probably a lot higher, but still.

[Bereia]

10% of the US military today is infantry, and two thirds of the US military force in WWII was conscripted. Granted, the tooth to tail ratio was probably a lot higher, but still.

That is always the case, but it does not change the fact that draftees, when a draft was in place, served throughout the forces, and not just in "safe" support jobs.

[Vistulange]

You can't delay it endlessly, at least not where I live without consequences.

Just be a man and cut your foot off or something. That has to get them off your trail.

Well, a guy once tried that here in Turkey. With a G7. The bullet ripped open his crotch because he didn't aim right.

...and he only had three months before he was going to be released...poor man.

[Imperializt Russia]

10% of the US military today is infantry, and two thirds of the US military force in WWII was conscripted. Granted, the tooth to tail ratio was probably a lot higher, but still.

That is always the case, but it does not change the fact that draftees, when a draft was in place, served throughout the forces, and not just in "safe" support jobs.

The original statement was "more likely". The tooth to tail ratio is about ~16%(?) in the US forces today. The figure is surprisingly and ludicrously low, but the study didn't state what it considered "combat support", so a bunch of that ~84% number will include large numbers of naval personnel and air crews and probably even artillery.

[Ifreann]

I don't know, I just googled "the governator".

Come now, would you be surprised if it was real?

Not in the slightest.

[Margno]

He was making an appeal to ethics, not an appeal to emotion. Contrary to what the internet would like you to believe, amoralism = / = rationality.

Using the words "comfortable with" seems to point to the other direction. There was no mention of ethics either. Regardless, accepting killing in certain cases/situations =/= amoralism.

No, I really don't know it. If that's not what you mean you're gonna have to explain it to me.
How about this. Which of these postulates is not your argument?
1. It is the duty of everyone whose country has given him the basics he needs to live and prosper to serve his country.
2. Such service does extend to killing or endangering others, destroying their homes, and attempting to destroy their countries.
3. If someone else is attempting to kill or endanger one's self, one's friends, or one's family, or destroy one's home, or destroy one's country, the defense of one's country involves responding in kind.

1 is true. 2 and 3 are partially true, partially incorrect. Everyone has a duty to defend their country, but that does not mean they get to disregard the rules of engagement and the like. Revenge strikes against civilians, etc. Is a definite no no. And the "duty to turn life into eternal living hell" argument is downright asinine.

I'm out.

[Galom Dieus]

Serve my country? The very idea seems ridiculous to me. I don't nearly love my country enough to serve it, let alone die for it. Those sacrifices are reserved for my loved ones.

[Ostroeuropa]

Depends on who we are fighting and why.

[Tymeronia]

Not for sure if you can officially reject in the US. If it had to be done.

[Galom Dieus]

Not for sure if you can officially reject in the US. If it had to be done.

Yes, you don't really have a choice, do you? And crossing the border is pretty much a one-way decision.

[The Sotoan Union]

Morally I'd be opposed. But realistically I don't want to go to jail. Maybe decades latter it would entitle me to a free Memorial Day meal at a veterans center.

[Republic of Greater America]

Would I get to be a drone pilot? Otherwise no. Too risky.

You think that drone control centres wouldn't be subjects to strategic bombings?

Hey, at least I won't be rotting in jail or in some jungle unlike some of you people . Also, I gets to play teh CODs as my job. Me gusta.

[Immoren]

You think that drone control centres wouldn't be subjects to strategic bombings?

Hey, at least I won't be rotting in jail or in some jungle unlike some of you people . Also, I gets to play teh CODs as my job. Me gusta.

Till you get scorched by 15Mt warhead.

[Jetan]

Neither of those things are universally true. As an EU citizen I can vote in European Parliament elections anywhere I might happen to reside in the EU. I believe, but I'm not sure, that as an Irish citizen I could vote in an English general election if I happened to live in England. As for foreigners running for office...

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EU elections are not national elections, and are overrall a unique exception rather than the rule. And Schwarzenegger has US citizenship.

Using the words "comfortable with" seems to point to the other direction. There was no mention of ethics either. Regardless, accepting killing in certain cases/situations =/= amoralism.


1 is true. 2 and 3 are partially true, partially incorrect. Everyone has a duty to defend their country, but that does not mean they get to disregard the rules of engagement and the like. Revenge strikes against civilians, etc. Is a definite no no. And the "duty to turn life into eternal living hell" argument is downright asinine.

I'm out.

What about "partially" is too hard for you to comprehend? Also, what exactly it is you think happens in war, hm? Sternly worded letters to the enemy forces? Boxing?

[The Sotoan Union]

You think that drone control centres wouldn't be subjects to strategic bombings?

Hey, at least I won't be rotting in jail or in some jungle unlike some of you people . Also, I gets to play teh CODs as my job. Me gusta.

At what rank do you get your first perk?

Also what's it like? Does the perk just appear or is there some serum you have to take?

[Volnotova]

Serve my country? The very idea seems ridiculous to me. I don't nearly love my country enough to serve it, let alone die for it. Those sacrifices are reserved for my loved ones.

Even if the invading forces are hell-bent on killing you and those you love?

[Imperializt Russia]

Indeed. You can't blow off training drills just so you can go on a date.

Unless your superior officer is suddenly looking very pretty.

You'd better get used to thinking he is, it'll make Tuesday's late night watch more bearable.

[Socialist Republic of Andrew]

(Continuation of this)

Exactly what it says on the tin, in case you were to be conscripted/drafted, would you serve?

As for me, I'd only consider serving if the war in question was against a mass murdering/genocidal entity, that would pose a direct threat to my welbeing (and life) and that of those I care about.

Well firstly i kinda would have to, due to it would be a MANDATORY thing, meaning if you did not do it, you could be jailed or punished.

Secondly, i would want to find out why we were fighting the war, like if it was against a genocidal dictator, a major enemy of the country, or just for resources, it would all depend.

Besides, if you truly do not want to serve in this, then just flunk basic training, you don't get accepted, and then they send you back home.

[Jetan]

Besides, if you truly do not want to serve in this, then just flunk basic training, you don't get accepted, and then they send you back home.

It wouldn't work like that during war time.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I would only serve if they gave me my rightful command. A sixth star seems appropriate.