Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

[Scomagia]

You make this broad claim that killing other people because I'm told to is my duty, I'm asking you to prove that it is so.

Not simply because your told to, but if the defence of your country requires it. Also:

Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Har har. That someone is trying harm you, your friends and family, your home and country.

And we pay for them with taxes, dead citizens contribute to their country how exactly?
And yes actually we do have a right to complain, it's called Free Speech.

Taxes do not cover everything. And those "dead citizens" as you put it contribute to the continued existence of their country.

1: Yes, and I pay taxes. It's all square.
2: I can complain about whatever I want. I can follow whatever ideology I want, so as long as I'm not directly harming people. If that ideology is pacifism, then so be it.
3: And how do they decide how to go to war?

1. Taxes do not cover everything.
2. Only as long as you fulfil your duties.
3. Doesn't matter. Their politician have no power over their neighbours citizens.

You're very talented at posting without actually saying anything. Care to tell us what taxes allegedly don't pay for?

[Genivaria]

Irrelevant. Non-combat roles facilitate killing, despite not requiring you to do it personally.

And?

Killing people isn't usually something most people are comfortable with in the 21st century.

[The Orson Empire]

It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

Conscription would be a law of the state in a scenario in which it is enacted.

Then this is the only law that I could not follow. The state has no right to put me into a situation where I would have to kill people.

[Kriegers]

Hehehehe, an Equestrian apocalypse.

[Scomagia]

Irrelevant. Non-combat roles facilitate killing, despite not requiring you to do it personally.

And?

If his objection is based on the immorality of killing other people, helping kill other people is probably objectionable to him as well.

[Genivaria]

And?

If his objection is based on the immorality of killing other people, helping kill other people is probably objectionable to him as well.

As I said before, if I have to be forced into the cause of killing people then I'd probably be opposed to the cause in the first place.
I'm not a pacifist though.

[Jetan]

Not simply because your told to, but if the defence of your country requires it. Also:

Har har. That someone is trying harm you, your friends and family, your home and country.


Taxes do not cover everything. And those "dead citizens" as you put it contribute to the continued existence of their country.


1. Taxes do not cover everything.
2. Only as long as you fulfil your duties.
3. Doesn't matter. Their politician have no power over their neighbours citizens.

You're very talented at posting without actually saying anything. Care to tell us what taxes allegedly don't pay for?

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

[Scomagia]

If his objection is based on the immorality of killing other people, helping kill other people is probably objectionable to him as well.

As I said before, if I have to be forced into the cause of killing people then I'd probably be opposed to the cause in the first place.
I'm not a pacifist though.

I see. I'm not a pacifist either, for the record, I just won't engage in any action that is likely to result in the death of another person or enable the death of a non-consenting person.

[Genivaria]

You're very talented at posting without actually saying anything. Care to tell us what taxes allegedly don't pay for?

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

Yeah I don't even agree with that bit myself.

[The Orson Empire]

If his objection is based on the immorality of killing other people, helping kill other people is probably objectionable to him as well.

As I said before, if I have to be forced into the cause of killing people then I'd probably be opposed to the cause in the first place.
I'm not a pacifist though.

I agree with this.

[Genivaria]

As I said before, if I have to be forced into the cause of killing people then I'd probably be opposed to the cause in the first place.
I'm not a pacifist though.

I see. I'm not a pacifist either, for the record, I just won't engage in any action that is likely to result in the death of another person or enable the death of a non-consenting person.

Seeing as how I'm trying to become an Intelligence Specialist in the Navy I'm sure that I'll be taking part in that at some point, but they were all bad.

[Jetan]

And?

Killing people isn't usually something most people are comfortable with in the 21st century.

You're not expected to feel good about it.

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

Yeah I don't even agree with that bit myself.

And yet that's the way it is. Taxes do not pay for everything.

[Scomagia]

You're very talented at posting without actually saying anything. Care to tell us what taxes allegedly don't pay for?

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

Rights related to citizenship? You're right, taxes don't pay for those. They are guaranteed for no charge.
List some things, aside from rights, that taxes don't pay for.

[Scomagia]

I see. I'm not a pacifist either, for the record, I just won't engage in any action that is likely to result in the death of another person or enable the death of a non-consenting person.

Seeing as how I'm trying to become an Intelligence Specialist in the Navy I'm sure that I'll be taking part in that at some point, but they were all bad.

If that's what you want to do, go for it. Your actions don't bother my conscience any.

[Jetan]

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

Rights related to citizenship? You're right, taxes don't pay for those. They are guaranteed for no charge.
List some things, aside from rights, that taxes don't pay for.

Why should I?
I answered your question, while your own rebuttals boil down to "no it doesn't!".

[Genivaria]

Killing people isn't usually something most people are comfortable with in the 21st century.

You're not expected to feel good about it.

How incredibly patronising.

Rights related to citizenship for one. For example, foreigners residing in the countried pay taxes but do not get to vote or run for office, but do not have obligation to defend the country either. And there isnothing "alleged" about it.

Yeah I don't even agree with that bit myself.

And yet that's the way it is. Taxes do not pay for everything.[/quote]
They certainly pay for everything they're mean't to yes, or are you going to suggest that foriegners also must serve in the military?

[Tuthina]

No, I am too big a coward to get myself killed. Then again, if the country I am currently residing inruns out of manpower, we are screwed anyway.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I would not mind getting drafted if needed.

I would however like to land on a support position. I don't believe in shooting a gun except for self-defense and there's no other option (ie: that once-in-a-lifetime incident).

[Jetan]

You're not expected to feel good about it.

1)How incredibly patronising.

2)They certainly pay for everything they're mean't to yes, or are you going to suggest that foriegners also must serve in the military?

1) That's what you get for trying to use emotions as a justification.
2) No, and that's why they do not get the benefits of citizenship either. I also never specified military service, I said that every citizen has a duty to defend their country in the manner thay are asked to. Not everyone would be put to military in the event of war.

[Lalaki]

If the war is just, we would see plenty of people sign up. Only for unpopular wars do we need the draft (WWI, Vietnam being examples).

[Arukkan]

I would undoubtedly refuse to serve if drafted. My reasoning is this, I refuse to serve a Government that bends itself to the whims of the Military Industrial Complex and corrupt politicians who profit heavily off the unending suffering of the poor and unfortunate. I cannot and will not subject myself to become a pawn who blindly follows orders while raiding nations for resources under the guise of "Freedom and Democracy". Also, I could never bring myself to a point so low where killing another living, breathing being is acceptable or encouraged.

[Mkuki]

If the war is just, we would see plenty of people sign up. Only for unpopular wars do we need the draft (WWI, Vietnam being examples).

World War II being another example.

[Genivaria]

1)How incredibly patronising.


And yet that's the way it is. Taxes do not pay for everything.

2)They certainly pay for everything they're mean't to yes, or are you going to suggest that foriegners also must serve in the military?

1) That's what you get for trying to use enotions as a justification.
2) No, and that's why they do not get the benefits of citizenship either. I also never specified military service, I said that every citizen has a duty to defend their country in the manner thay are asked to. Not everyone would be put to military in the event of war.[/quote]
Emotions kind of matter to non-sociopaths yes.
And if a nation needs conscripts then it probably doesn't have a worthy cause.

[The Orson Empire]

I would undoubtedly refuse to serve if drafted. My reasoning is this, I refuse to serve a Government that bends itself to the whims of the Military Industrial Complex and corrupt politicians who profit heavily off the unending suffering of the poor and unfortunate. I cannot and will not subject myself to become a pawn who blindly follows orders while raiding nations for resources under the guise of "Freedom and Democracy". Also, I could never bring myself to a point so low where killing another living, breathing being is acceptable or encouraged.

Very well said.

[Lalaki]

If the war is just, we would see plenty of people sign up. Only for unpopular wars do we need the draft (WWI, Vietnam being examples).

World War II being another example.

I know WWII had the draft, but I think the conflict itself (not the conscription) was justified.