Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

[MERIZoC]

I have no duty to kill people or facilitate the killing of people over lines drawn on a map. My having a penis doesn't make killing my duty, either.

Figure of speech. All citizens have duty to defend their country, in whichever manner they are asked to. And yes, you do. Your personal misgivings do not absolve you of your duties.

Why? What fundamental rule says that I have a duty to die and kill on the whims of a few old politicians?

[Scomagia]

I have no duty to kill people or facilitate the killing of people over lines drawn on a map. My having a penis doesn't make killing my duty, either.

Figure of speech. All citizens have duty to defend their country, in whichever manner they are asked to. And yes, you do. Your personal misgivings do not absolve you of your duties.

Show me what makes killing my duty.

[Genivaria]

If I have to be drafted then I'd probably hate the cause anyway, so no.

[Jetan]

Figure of speech. All citizens have duty to defend their country, in whichever manner they are asked to. And yes, you do. Your personal misgivings do not absolve you of your duties.

Why? What fundamental rule says that I have a duty to die and kill on the whims of a few old politicians?

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

Figure of speech. All citizens have duty to defend their country, in whichever manner they are asked to. And yes, you do. Your personal misgivings do not absolve you of your duties.

Show me what makes killing my duty.

What's that even supposed to mean? How can I "show" you what your duties are?

[MERIZoC]

Why? What fundamental rule says that I have a duty to die and kill on the whims of a few old politicians?

1: Everyone has a duty to defend their country.
2: If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that.
3: That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

1: Why? You still haven't answered my question.
2: I'd rather not, thanks.
3: Oh really? Then tell me, how is war declared in your country?

[Scomagia]

Why? What fundamental rule says that I have a duty to die and kill on the whims of a few old politicians?

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

Show me what makes killing my duty.

What's that even supposed to mean? How can I "show" you what your duties are?

You make this broad claim that killing other people because I'm told to is my duty, I'm asking you to prove that it is so.

[Genivaria]

Why? What fundamental rule says that I have a duty to die and kill on the whims of a few old politicians?

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

[Jetan]

1: Everyone has a duty to defend their country.
2: If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that.
3: That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

1: Why? You still haven't answered my question.
2: I'd rather not, thanks.
3: Oh really? Then tell me, how is war declared in your country?

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

[Genivaria]

1: Why? You still haven't answered my question.
2: I'd rather not, thanks.
3: Oh really? Then tell me, how is war declared in your country?

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

And we pay for them with taxes, dead citizens contribute to their country how exactly?
And yes actually we do have a right to complain, it's called Free Speech.

[MERIZoC]

1: Why? You still haven't answered my question.
2: I'd rather not, thanks.
3: Oh really? Then tell me, how is war declared in your country?

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

1: Yes, and I pay taxes. It's all square.
2: I can complain about whatever I want. I can follow whatever ideology I want, so as long as I'm not directly harming people. If that ideology is pacifism, then so be it.
3: And how do they decide how to go to war?

[Scomagia]

1: Why? You still haven't answered my question.
2: I'd rather not, thanks.
3: Oh really? Then tell me, how is war declared in your country?

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

1.My country "gives" me nothing. I pay for services, order, and infrastructure with taxes. I have no obligation to "defend" my nation because of a business arrangement that I was born into.
2. See above.

[Zathganastan]

Not much of a choice really you either serve as directed or you serve from a prison cell, and I'm really not to fond on doing the later. However if I had to be drafted I'd prefer to have been drafted into the Army as they at least then I'm given some choice in how I serve.

[Scomagia]

Not much of a choice really you either serve as directed or you serve from a prison cell, and I'm really not to fond on doing the later. However if I had to be drafted I'd prefer to have been drafted into the Army as they at least then I'm given some choice in how I serve.

There is, of course, the third choice of fleeing to a sympathetic nation.

[MERIZoC]

Not much of a choice really you either serve as directed or you serve from a prison cell, and I'm really not to fond on doing the later. However if I had to be drafted I'd prefer to have been drafted into the Army as they at least then I'm given some choice in how I serve.

There are many, many ways to avoid being drafted without being put in prison: you'd just have to think creatively. Besides, I'd rather take prison than the battlefield.

[Arkiasis]

Considering my terrible vision and my mental health issues, I'd probably be exempt or placed in a non-combat role.

[Blasveck]

I'm a Conscientious Objector, so no.

[The New Lowlands]

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

[Margno]

No. And I wouldn't draft dodge either. If they wanted to arrest me, I'd put the handcuffs on myself.

[Genivaria]

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

Historically draftees were primarily used in combat roles because there weren't enough volunteers to send into the grinder.

[Scomagia]

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

Irrelevant. Non-combat roles facilitate killing, despite not requiring you to do it personally.

[Blasveck]

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

Jobs like a truck driver are enabling others to kill some other person. I imagine he wouldn't want to help fuel that sort of enabling.

[The New Lowlands]

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

Irrelevant. Non-combat roles facilitate killing, despite not requiring you to do it personally.

And?

[Jetan]

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".


What's that even supposed to mean? How can I "show" you what your duties are?

You make this broad claim that killing other people because I'm told to is my duty, I'm asking you to prove that it is so.

Not simply because your told to, but if the defence of your country requires it. Also:

Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.

Everyone has a duty to defend their country. If dying and killing is what it takes, then that's that. That's not dependant on "the whims of a few old politicians".

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Har har. That someone is trying harm you, your friends and family, your home and country.

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

And we pay for them with taxes, dead citizens contribute to their country how exactly?
And yes actually we do have a right to complain, it's called Free Speech.

Taxes do not cover everything. And those "dead citizens" as you put it contribute to the continued existence of their country.

1. Because your country is what gives you all the basics you need to live and prosper like society and laws. It's not free.
2. If you accept the peace time benefits you have no right to complain of the wartime duties.
3. By a neighbour invading us, that's how.

1: Yes, and I pay taxes. It's all square.
2: I can complain about whatever I want. I can follow whatever ideology I want, so as long as I'm not directly harming people. If that ideology is pacifism, then so be it.
3: And how do they decide how to go to war?

1. Taxes do not cover everything.
2. Only as long as you fulfil your duties.
3. Doesn't matter. Their politician have no power over their neighbours citizens.

[Scomagia]

No. And I wouldn't draft dodge either. If they wanted to arrest me, I'd put the handcuffs on myself.

I admire your commitment. I'd probably flee because of my high likelihood of being a rape victim if imprisoned.

[Margno]

Why should I kill someone for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt then me? That's a barbaric sense of morality.

Why does everyone assume that conscripts are going to be used in combat roles?

Its' more likely that you'll be a truck driver or some other boring, safe logistics job.

Why should he assist others in killing people for the crime of being born on a different patch of dirt than him? That's a barbaric sense of morality.