I'd flee north.
To INDEPENDENT Scotland.
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by The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:11 pm

by United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:13 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.

by Cupola » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:14 pm

by The Orson Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:15 pm

by The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:15 pm

by Immoren » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:16 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

by The blood ravens » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:24 pm

by Imperium Sidhicum » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:58 pm

by The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:03 pm
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.
That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.
I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

by Liriena » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:16 pm
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by New Frenco Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:16 pm

by Liriena » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:17 pm

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by Colorlovia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:19 pm

by Scomagia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:20 pm
Pope Joan wrote:I decided this in 1969. Some of my friends were fleeing to Canada. I decided, after careful consideration and discussion with my fiancee, that I would stay here and go to jail.
The local draft board, Selective Service, told me it would be impossible for me to claim Conscientious Objector status since I was a member of a mainline Protestant denomination.
I think my decision cost my father his (then pending) promotion to full pay retired status as a naval officer, and it broke his heart.

by The Grand World Order » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:24 pm

by Marsisian » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:28 pm

by Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:39 pm
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.
That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.
I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

by The Orson Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:48 pm
Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.
That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.
I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.
I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.Cupola wrote:We have that kind of exception for Jehovah's witnesses and I don't think it's fair at all.
Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

by Diopolis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:51 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.
I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.
Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.
It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

by Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:59 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.
I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.
Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.
It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

by United Kingdom of Kent » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:07 pm
Liriena wrote:Let me put it this way: I'm a life-loving pacifist and anti-nationalist. So... yeah... I would probably serve only in the most extreme hypothetical cases... or if the country I happened to be living in and got invaded were New Zealand, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Finland or Spain.

by Scomagia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:26 pm
Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.
That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.
I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.
I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.Cupola wrote:We have that kind of exception for Jehovah's witnesses and I don't think it's fair at all.
Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

by Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:34 pm
Scomagia wrote:Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.
I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.
Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.
I have no duty to kill people or facilitate the killing of people over lines drawn on a map. My having a penis doesn't make killing my duty, either.
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