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Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

Yes, unconditionally.
105
31%
Only if I believed the war/conflict was 'right'/'just'.
65
19%
Only if my homecountry were to be invaded/threatened.
43
13%
Only if my homecountry were to be invaded or threatened by a genocidal/mass murdering entity. (See Nazis)
26
8%
Only if it "didn't get in the way" of my personal interests/ambitions.
15
4%
Never, I'd attempt to dodge/avoid the draft/flee/hide.
75
22%
I'd only serve on pain of death.
7
2%
Only during an Equestrian apocalypse.
7
2%
 
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:11 pm

Volnotova wrote:
Omorov-Nier wrote:No. I will not be a tool for generals and politicians to use.


Even if your country happens to be invaded by a force hell-bent on exterminating you and your people?


I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:13 pm

Only if I felt it was justified; for instance, I would have been willing to serve in WWII, but not in the Vietnam war (on the US side, probably would have been willing to on the Vietnamese side).
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Postby Cupola » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:14 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
Even if your country happens to be invaded by a force hell-bent on exterminating you and your people?


I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

I'd head off to Iceland and hide in a volcano.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:15 pm

No, I would not serve.

If I was drafted, I would dodge the draft and try to flee to another country.

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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:15 pm

Cupola wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

I'd head off to Iceland and hide in a volcano.


I'd reinvent my self.

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Postby Immoren » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:16 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Volnotova wrote:
Even if your country happens to be invaded by a force hell-bent on exterminating you and your people?


I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

obviously there wouldn't be Scotland any longer, only irradiated North sea and Atlantic *nods*
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Postby The blood ravens » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:24 pm

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Cupola wrote:You can't delay it endlessly, at least not where I live without consequences.

Just be a man and cut your foot off or something. That has to get them off your trail. :p

During the American civil war someone had been given a draft notice, and knocked out all their teeth to not be drafted.

The best part is that the notice was fake, and his friends had pranked him.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:58 pm

This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:03 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.


:clap:

Thank you, sir/veteran.

This still doesn't change my views, i'll serve, but at my own discretion.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:12 pm

No. I have a right to not join the military.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:16 pm

Let me put it this way: I'm a life-loving pacifist and anti-nationalist. So... yeah... I would probably serve only in the most extreme hypothetical cases... or if the country I happened to be living in and got invaded were New Zealand, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Finland or Spain.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:16 pm

If I believed it was right, sure. If they try to draft me for something as pointless as Vietnam: Part II or something, I'll go to Canada.

Considering warfare nowadays, though, it seems an unlikely scenario.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:17 pm

Immoren wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
I'd flee north.

To INDEPENDENT Scotland.

obviously there wouldn't be Scotland any longer, only irradiated North sea and Atlantic *nods*

OMG, Immoren... Is that George Hearn and Angela Lansbury in Sweeney Todd I see in your flag? :blush:
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Postby Colorlovia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:19 pm

Why the hell are you conscripting someone so overweight it's obvious?

Besides that I don't think I could kill someone. I nearly faint from the sight of blood alone in real life.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:20 pm

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The local draft board, Selective Service, told me it would be impossible for me to claim Conscientious Objector status since I was a member of a mainline Protestant denomination.

I think my decision cost my father his (then pending) promotion to full pay retired status as a naval officer, and it broke his heart.

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Postby Trollgaard » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:23 pm

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Postby The Grand World Order » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:24 pm

I enlisted of my own free will and have already done things most here would severely disagree with, though I've not seen combat.

I'm currently trying to get on board to Afghanistan before we're completely out of there.
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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:28 pm

I would serve. In an alien invasion, which will never happen.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:39 pm

I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.

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Thafoo wrote:I can use my religion as an excuse not to serve. Take that, system.

We have that kind of exception for Jehovah's witnesses and I don't think it's fair at all.

Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:48 pm

Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.

Cupola wrote:We have that kind of exception for Jehovah's witnesses and I don't think it's fair at all.

Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:51 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.


I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.


Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

Conscription would be a law of the state in a scenario in which it is enacted.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:59 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.


I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.


Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

It's not my duty. I already do my duty by following the laws of the state. I don't think I need to do anything more.

What you think does not enter into it.
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:07 pm

Liriena wrote:Let me put it this way: I'm a life-loving pacifist and anti-nationalist. So... yeah... I would probably serve only in the most extreme hypothetical cases... or if the country I happened to be living in and got invaded were New Zealand, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Finland or Spain.


Just out of interest why those select countries, other than the Scandinavian ones there appears little in common?

Yes I feel it’s my duty to my Queen and Country to serve. I may not agree with the war, but would never not answer the call to defend or fight for my country and I’m very thankful for the freedom I enjoy in my country and what it stands for (I doubt this is likely to change in the future).
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:26 pm

Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:This question is kind of pointless - if you lived in a nation that practiced conscription, nobody would ask you whether you want to serve or not. You'd just have to - or you'd serve a prison time (or worse) instead.

That said, I personally wouldn't even have to be conscripted, since I'm already in the military, and even presuming I wasn't, I'd certainly volunteer in times of need. Defending one's country and those compatriots who cannot defend themselves is not just the patriotic duty of every able-bodied citizen, it's also the duty of every self-respecting man. I certainly couldn't bear to live with the shame if I failed to turn up when my country and people needed me.

I do understand the reservations that many have about partaking in wars of aggression, but times when masses of conscripts were thrown in offensive wars are past. Today, offensive operations are the realm of professional armies, conscription being reserved for defensive wars on home soil.

I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.

Cupola wrote:We have that kind of exception for Jehovah's witnesses and I don't think it's fair at all.

Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

I have no duty to kill people or facilitate the killing of people over lines drawn on a map. My having a penis doesn't make killing my duty, either.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:34 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Jetan wrote:I'd serve. It's every mans duty to defend the Fatherland.


I may disagree with you often but among other things this you got spot on.


Indeed. Unfortunately our politicians were just as shit back in the day as they are today.

I have no duty to kill people or facilitate the killing of people over lines drawn on a map. My having a penis doesn't make killing my duty, either.

Figure of speech. All citizens have duty to defend their country, in whichever manner they are asked to. And yes, you do. Your personal misgivings do not absolve you of your duties.
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