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Would you serve if drafted/conscripted?

Yes, unconditionally.
105
31%
Only if I believed the war/conflict was 'right'/'just'.
65
19%
Only if my homecountry were to be invaded/threatened.
43
13%
Only if my homecountry were to be invaded or threatened by a genocidal/mass murdering entity. (See Nazis)
26
8%
Only if it "didn't get in the way" of my personal interests/ambitions.
15
4%
Never, I'd attempt to dodge/avoid the draft/flee/hide.
75
22%
I'd only serve on pain of death.
7
2%
Only during an Equestrian apocalypse.
7
2%
 
Total votes : 343

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:24 am

Helsary wrote:
Vistulange wrote:No, I couldn't kill another human being.


Coward.

Humans have been killing each-other since the beginning of times...Survival of the fittest always was and will be my only permanent ideology.You're not good enough,then let a better person live in your place

I have a sneaking suspicion that you don't understand what survival of the fittest means.
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Shnercropolis
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Postby Shnercropolis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:25 am

Only if we're being invaded. I don't support outside wars.
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Charmera
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Postby Charmera » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:25 am

Helsary wrote:
Charmera wrote:Angry? You haven't seen rage yet.
You see, you just happened to push all of my buttons, I really don't care if your some sort of troll and I don't usually have this much immediate hatred, but you decided to waltz in and make me really pissed.
You did refer to me in that post, when you said that I amused you among other things. A comment so stupidly cheesy and full of a pretentiousness that I was rather amused for a second myself.



I am as serious as it can be,my friend.No trolling,that is my true opinion.Once again,I apologize if you thought I insulted you intentionally.

Fine. It's your opinion and your entitled to it. I apologise for being quick to anger, I'm just not on the longest of fuses right now.
Il leave this alone and get back to the topic at hand.
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:26 am

Ifreann wrote:Not if you're good enough to shoot down all the bombers with your drones.


Drones can't shoot down ballistic missiles. :P
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Helsary
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Postby Helsary » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:26 am

I'd only serve if the conflict is not getting in the way of my interests and if I consider it a just cause to fight for.Of course,my own version of ''just'',so yeah...

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Vissegaard
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Postby Vissegaard » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:28 am

Helsary wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:Hi there, you planet-draining digital statistic. I have a strange urging to divide you by zero.


Do it.For me,it's the same if I live or die.We're all nothing in the end.This existence is a mere second compared to the eternal darkness after death.You are offended by my opinion?You can seek comfort through Jesus,Buddha,Krishna,Allah,etc....

God is not here for your comfort, buddy. He´s kinda sadist, you know. The Lord likes to see us wriggle...
I doubt He´ll let you to have such a painless afterlife in the absolute darkness.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:29 am

Yes, I'd prefer not to be shot for treason(wartime), or serve 10 years in jail(peacetime), or be a second class citizen with extra taxes(peacetime alternative).

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Helsary
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Postby Helsary » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:32 am

Vissegaard wrote:
Helsary wrote:


Do it.For me,it's the same if I live or die.We're all nothing in the end.This existence is a mere second compared to the eternal darkness after death.You are offended by my opinion?You can seek comfort through Jesus,Buddha,Krishna,Allah,etc....

God is not here for your comfort, buddy. He´s kinda sadist, you know. The Lord likes to see us wriggle...
I doubt He´ll let you to have such a painless afterlife in the absolute darkness.


Good.I'll burn in hell and enjoy it.I'm a sadomasochist if you're curios as to how I could enjoy that.

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Slavialand
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Postby Slavialand » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:34 am

Only if i the war was just/right in my eyes. That of course includes the whole genocide option.
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Novia Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:34 am

Helsary wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:God is not here for your comfort, buddy. He´s kinda sadist, you know. The Lord likes to see us wriggle...
I doubt He´ll let you to have such a painless afterlife in the absolute darkness.


Good.I'll burn in hell and enjoy it.I'm a sadomasochist if you're curios as to how I could enjoy that.


You would enjoy the flesh being burnt off your bones? Sounds quite unhealthy if you ask me.
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Gordonisia
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Postby Gordonisia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:34 am

Not unless my country/home was being directly threatened. I like my life and don't much fancy throwing it away for the sake of protecting countries that don't like the US in the first place.
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Vissegaard
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Postby Vissegaard » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:35 am

Helsary wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:God is not here for your comfort, buddy. He´s kinda sadist, you know. The Lord likes to see us wriggle...
I doubt He´ll let you to have such a painless afterlife in the absolute darkness.


Good.I'll burn in hell and enjoy it.I'm a sadomasochist if you're curios as to how I could enjoy that.

I´m sure I will decompose in my grave, in first place...
Once dead, we are no longer useful subjects. But enough of theology, back to the military thingies.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:36 am

Immoren wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not if you're good enough to shoot down all the bombers with your drones.


Drones can't shoot down ballistic missiles. :P

You're a ballistic missile!


Helsary wrote:
Vissegaard wrote:God is not here for your comfort, buddy. He´s kinda sadist, you know. The Lord likes to see us wriggle...
I doubt He´ll let you to have such a painless afterlife in the absolute darkness.


Good.I'll burn in hell and enjoy it.I'm a sadomasochist if you're curios as to how I could enjoy that.

Course you are, sweetheart. *pat*

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Postby TotallyNotEvilLand » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:37 am

You ever play X-Com?

Well, I'd be that asshole who panics and sits in the corner whining the whole battle. As soon as I even heard an inkling about the draft coming back, I'd sprint my ass into Canada.
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Scomagia
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:37 am

Absolutely not.
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:37 am

Ifreann wrote:You're a ballistic missile!


At least that way I could into space. :(
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Universal Socialism
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Postby Universal Socialism » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 am

If I was drafted/conscripted I would comply. After all I agreed to be available for the draft by living in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen. Though I may not make a very good soldier at first, I'm sure they could work that out in basic training (that's what basic training is for). As for the thing of me not being willing to kill, as soon as my survival instincts kick in I will be shooting people without a second thought.

The thing is though that if I knew that the draft was coming back I would just volunteer, since being drafted would probably be inevitable. By volunteering in the military I would get to choose which branch I go to (which would allow me to be something other then a basic infantry grunt), I would receive slightly higher pay (though that isn't exactly my biggest concern but it doesn't hurt to have it anyway), and I would receive higher respect then as if I was drafted (or at least I've heard that people who are drafted don't receive as much respect as volunteers).

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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:44 am

If the UK were invaded...

I'd go down to London, assist the invaders and laugh, as the military's budget cuts bite the government where it hurts.

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Nekronia
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Postby Nekronia » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:52 am

I'd probably just deal with it, unless it was a war I was really, really opposed to, like one against one of my favorite nations for little cause. I might actually defect in that event, but it all depends on the context. Most contexts warranting the draft being used fully again would likely be fine with me. 'Nam included. I'd fight that one.

Unless of course it turns out my cough is actually asthma or that my body is too underweight for service, but this is an "are you willing" thread, not an "are you eligible" one.
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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:27 am

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aS8QWcSE5G4

I probably wouldn't be drafted, the title of the above video explains why.

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Viritica
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Postby Viritica » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:28 am

I'd consider it an honor to serve.
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Earth Empire
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Postby Earth Empire » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:31 am

I would serve unconditionally for the US. I love this country.
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Postby Omorov-Nier » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:37 am

No. I will not be a tool for generals and politicians to use.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:48 am

I decided this in 1969. Some of my friends were fleeing to Canada. I decided, after careful consideration and discussion with my fiancee, that I would stay here and go to jail.

The local draft board, Selective Service, told me it would be impossible for me to claim Conscientious Objector status since I was a member of a mainline Protestant denomination.

I think my decision cost my father his (then pending) promotion to full pay retired status as a naval officer, and it broke his heart.
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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:02 pm

Omorov-Nier wrote:No. I will not be a tool for generals and politicians to use.


Even if your country happens to be invaded by a force hell-bent on exterminating you and your people?
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