Why does everyone hate the Jews?

[Riiser-Larsen]

Technically speaking that does count as some form of homosexuality (or at least bisexuality), but thank you for elaborating. It's a weird thing to try to summarize.

They didn't believe people were essentially meant to lust after certain sex, so their conception of sexual orientation is far different than ours.

There were no heteros or gays, just tops and bottoms and it had a social role. Sex of the partner was a matter of preference but overall their attitude about being an insertive partner was that very "in times of war whatever hole is a trench" attitude that the Bible authors got awfully shocked and baffled about, they were not conceived as inherent different kinds of people.

...That is a lot similar to historical conceptions of homosexuality in Latin America and the Middle East (lest it is not repressed with threat to one's life), even.

I know, I meant that as an objective standard, whether or not it was social, the fact that they had sex with men and considered it at least somewhat normal makes it some form of non-heterosexuality.

[Evraim]

OK, maybe Israel has done some war crimes. However, many anti-israel people use that to justify anti-semetism. Stormfront for example.

Wait, I thought Storm front discouraged antisemitism, as it's somehow a threat to white nationalism. I'm pretty sure they don't tolerate neo nazis nor antisemitism over at stormfront, but I could certainly check the rules again.

Incorrect. I visited Stormfront, and was immediately called by a number of Antisemitic slurs.

[Alaizia]

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

Especially when you constantly brag about being the "Chosen People".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Only if said men were of a higher or equal social standing; those of lower social standing were able to be "bottoms"; Roman culture attributed sexual dominance to social dominance.

Yeah, attitudes to bottoming varied widely because Roman culture existed in many centuries.

Greek culture though regarded adult men performing such role as degenerate.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm surprised to find out that everyone hates the Jews. Up to this point I had thought that I liked Jewish people. Apparently, according to your statement, I, too, hate the Jews. Even Jews hate the Jews, then.

Ever heard of a phrase before?

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

Exactly. Why can't we just have our little sliver of land and be left in peace?

Not your sliver.

[Aquitayne]

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

So, should the native peoples of America get their land back? It has hardly been a few centuries in their case.

Why not? It was theirs to begin with. It won't happen, but I'd support it.

[Shie]

I believe they are the chosen people, I am also aware of the antisemetic campaigns of the Nazis and various Inquisitors.

See? That why Jews have a bad name. Because of people like you.

"Chosen people".....Wtf.....

I didn't make this up, it's in the Old Testament.

"treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:6)

[Alyakia]

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

invade algeria. annex northern ireland. retake alass lorthinigen. rename poland to the republic of corridor. drive out the norman invaders. it's on.

[Aquitayne]

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

invade algeria. annex northern ireland. retake alass lorthinigen. rename poland to the republic of corridor. drive out the norman invaders. it's on.

Woo!

[Alaizia]

Only if said men were of a higher or equal social standing; those of lower social standing were able to be "bottoms"; Roman culture attributed sexual dominance to social dominance.

Yeah, attitudes to bottoming varied widely because Roman culture spayed centuries.

Greek culture though regarded adult men performing such role as degenerate.

I really don't know where this "Ancient Greeks allowed and performed homosexuality" came from. I can imagine it's insulting for the Greeks.

[Germagna]

OK, maybe Israel has done some war crimes. However, many anti-israel people use that to justify anti-semetism. Stormfront for example.

Anti-Semitism refers to prejudice against all Semites, not just Jews. (Jews, Arabs etc)

Not anymore, the definition has changed over the years.

My point is that there are locations open to homosexuals where they face little to no adversity and that sort of thing cannot be said for all of the world's jewish people.

Say hello to Kerala. A state a little bigger than Israel on India's west coast where I am from. Jews have long considered it a place of refuge, and infact consider it the only place they have never been discriminated against. That was about 2 centuries ago. At the time of Israel's creatio, anti-sematism in vast swathes of the world was hardly the issue it was in the past.

Why are we criticized for wanting our own state? Are the Dutch wrong for wanting to be in the Netherlands and not in some 'Greater France'?

[Caltarania]

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

invade algeria. annex northern ireland. retake alass lorthinigen. rename poland to the republic of corridor. drive out the norman invaders. it's on.

Driving out Norman invaders could be hard due to the fact they don't really exist as an ethno-linguistic group.

Though, we could drive out the MP's at Westminster? Probably better, actually.

[MERIZoC]

I'm surprised to find out that everyone hates the Jews. Up to this point I had thought that I liked Jewish people. Apparently, according to your statement, I, too, hate the Jews. Even Jews hate the Jews, then.

Ever heard of a phrase before?

Yea no.
Jordania for the Palestines. Israel for the jews.

Exactly. Why can't we just have our little sliver of land and be left in peace?

Take your land, GTFO of the West Bank, stop persecuting Arabs and Palestinians, and it'll all be fine.

[Alcase]

Being Anti-Isreal is not being Antisemitic.

They basically launched a fucking crusade into the Levant in the beginning of the 20th century.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I know, I meant that as an objective standard, whether or not it was social, the fact that they had sex with men and considered it at least somewhat normal makes it some form of non-heterosexuality.

I think that would be anachronistic/ethnocentric.

[Shie]

Abuse? That's not serious, the palestinians have been racist towards the jewish people and resent Israel because they've brought innovation and modern technology to the middle-east.

No, it's because the Israelis invaded their territory, forced them to accept the authority of a Jewish state, and annexed areas which made up their state.

Their territory? That's been Israel has been established as hebrew territory from Abraham's sons, Issac and Jacob.

[Tannarabia]

How about Palestine for the Palestinians? Or do the "oh so precious and abused Jews" deserve all the West Bank and Gaza too?

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

It wasn't theirs for those 4,000 years. It's now the Palestinian homeland.

[Evraim]

No, it's because the Israelis invaded their territory, forced them to accept the authority of a Jewish state, and annexed areas which made up their state.

Do invasions usually involve the legal acquisition of land through monetary purchase and partition agreements? Did the Israeli government provoke an aggressive war when they learned that they would have to share the former mandate's territories with the Palestinians? Finally, did the Arabs not engage in a number of pogroms in the nineteenth century for no other reason than that Jews lived next to them?

It wasn't theirs for those 4,000 years. It's now the Palestinian homeland.

It's been about 2000 years since Judea was extinguished by the Romans. Jews have been living in those territories throughout that time, however, albeit in smaller numbers. At the moment, Jews comprise the majority of the population in Israel, and have for close to a century. I would say it's their homeland.

[Inquilabstan]

So, should the native peoples of America get their land back? It has hardly been a few centuries in their case.

Why not? It was theirs to begin with. It won't happen, but I'd support it.

The fact is that the Palestinians were already there. They developed a culture, society, and had lived on such land for centuries. Why are their claims to the land they have traditionally inhabited of less value than a foreigner who claims to be descendant from those who lived in said land so long ago?

[Caltarania]

Say hello to Kerala. A state a little bigger than Israel on India's west coast where I am from. Jews have long considered it a place of refuge, and infact consider it the only place they have never been discriminated against. That was about 2 centuries ago. At the time of Israel's creatio, anti-sematism in vast swathes of the world was hardly the issue it was in the past.

Why are we criticized for wanting our own state? Are the Dutch wrong for wanting to be in the Netherlands and not in some 'Greater France'?

Difference; the natives of the Netherlands are Dutch. The natives (for the vast majority of history) of Palestine are the Palestinians.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

invade algeria. annex northern ireland. retake alass lorthinigen. rename poland to the republic of corridor. drive out the norman invaders. it's on.

Drive the Turks back to the North of Persia!

[Aquitayne]

I think being driven out of your homeland for roughly 4,000 years gives you a pretty solid casus belli to get it back, given the opportunity.

It wasn't theirs for those 4,000 years. It's now the Palestinian homeland.

Sure it was. You think Native Americans don't view their tribal lands as their homeland? Why do you think we have reservations in the United States? It's where they're from and it's who they are. You can't simply dismiss someone's heritage because they were forced not to live there for X amount of time.

[Inquilabstan]

Why are we criticized for wanting our own state? Are the Dutch wrong for wanting to be in the Netherlands and not in some 'Greater France'?

You Zionists are criticized for doing it at the expense of others.

[Caltarania]

invade algeria. annex northern ireland. retake alass lorthinigen. rename poland to the republic of corridor. drive out the norman invaders. it's on.

Drive the Turks back to the North of Persia!

Am I gonna have to move to France? Shit.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Jews are not the bad guys here, but Israel is. If the jews want a homeland of their own, they need to find a way to establish one peacefully.

Let's not pretend as though the Palestinians were content to live alongside Jews in the Mandate. As a matter of historical fact, they wanted them out - through any means necessary, if one is to believe the rhetoric contrived by the Arab elites.

Although, admittedly, a pretty bad genocide had begun in Palestine/Israel caused by the Haganah.