Why does everyone hate the Jews?

[Evraim]

It justifies the Israeli government protecting it's own interests like the American government does globally. For example, every war that the United States has entered out of self-defense.

Yeah, those pesky Arabs and Bedouins purchasing land are a threat. As are the Palestinian olive farmers and peaceful teenage protesters.

You know that this has nothing to do with Israel's security measures. Stop burning straw men.

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, those pesky Arabs and Bedouins purchasing land are a threat. As are the Palestinian olive farmers and peaceful teenage protesters.

Those pesky teens! We should save them by shooting them in the back, should knock some sense into them!

(Sarcasm, by the way)

No kidding, this shit actually happens.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/palestine-teenagerskilled.html

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, those pesky Arabs and Bedouins purchasing land are a threat. As are the Palestinian olive farmers and peaceful teenage protesters.

You know that this has nothing to do with Israel's security measures. Stop burning straw men.

Oh? Then what justifies them?

[Lingang]

We should all just go back to East Africa!

I'm sure the Ethiopians had enough of us already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War

Had enough of whom? Italians?

[Nazi Flower Power]

3) Anti-Israeli: This is the form that's easiest to disguise and pretend it's only a political view, it's usually not. There is no reason to be against Israel and/or Jewish nationalism and it is mostly an excuse for antisemitism.

There are many reasons to be against Israel and/or Jewish nationalism. Many people would oppose Jewish nationalism simply because they are opposed to all forms of ethnic nationalism. There are hundreds of ethnic groups worldwide that do not have their own nations. Why is it so important that the Jews have their own nation, even when it involves compromising the rights of other people? Israel limits people's right to challenge its Jewish identity even by democratic means.

And then they treat crimes committed by their Muslim population as acts of war. Imagine if the US responded to the crime problem in Detroit by treating the black population as enemy combatants. Someone held up a liquor store? Send in the Air Force!

Admittedly, the situation with the Palestinians has escalated to the point that it will take some time to fix, even if Israel does change the way they handle it; but Israel is largely responsible for creating this situation in the first place. They are the ones who decided to uproot Palestinians from their homes, and then resolve any ensuing problems by holding the Palestinians at gunpoint and telling them to STFU for the last several decades.

Some anti-Israel types also happen to be antisemitic, but it is not the only reason to be anti-Israel.

[Evraim]

You know that this has nothing to do with Israel's security measures. Stop burning straw men.

Oh? Then what justifies them?

[Caltarania]

Those pesky teens! We should save them by shooting them in the back, should knock some sense into them!

(Sarcasm, by the way)

No kidding, this shit actually happens.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/palestine-teenagerskilled.html

Yeah I know, that's why I added the Sarcasm brackets.

[Alyakia]

So the Palestinian's past racism justifies the abuses done by the Israeli government?

It justifies the Israeli government protecting it's own interests like the American government does globally.

For example, every war that the United States has entered was purely out of self-defense and the government of Israel should be given the freedom to follow where it ought to be.

except that's bullshit, in the case of the united states and israel, and they both need to knock it off?

and even the ones israel can sort of claim are semi-justified, always seem to happen before elections? what a coincidence, huh.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Christian civilizations like to paint the pre-Christian Eras of their dominantly spanning territories as having some sort of "Original Sin" light. With pretty extreme sexual practices and practicing a lot of anachronism, it's possible to generalize foreign sexuality as something that "digests people alive". That's even stronger when we start to regard non-heterosexuality as a failure to perform assigned gender roles.

Religion again huh? And where had they "based" the Greek's "Original Sin"? Does anyone know. Or just simply: "Hey, let's accuse pre-Christian Greeks of homesexuality. That would be fun!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

The first is situational homosexuality, the latter a form of pedobearing.

Both are extremely unlike deep-seated, [non-just-borderline] consensual, egalitarian homosexuality.

But then why would they make a difference? In their blind eyes, it's all the same sin.

[MERIZoC]

Oh? Then what justifies them?

A bus bombing by a terrorist group justifies the persecution of people unrelated to that group. Good to know you're a blatant racist then.

[Riiser-Larsen]

So the Palestinian's past racism justifies the abuses done by the Israeli government?

It justifies the Israeli government protecting it's own interests like the American government does globally.

For example, every war that the United States has entered was purely out of self-defense and the government of Israel should be given the freedom to follow where it ought to be.

Hahaha, you're funny!

Oh wait, you're serious? Do you not realize that there has been zero evidence of any significant threat that required militant action for the last probably twenty years? The closest we've ever gotten to having a legitimate excuse to go to war was when Russia seized Crimea this past year, and it didn't even fully make it.

The war in Iraq was based purely on the need to establish West-friendly oil suppliers in the Middle-East, not WMDs. As a matter of fact, I've met a veteran from the Iraq war who has said that he's had to start working with other veterans to deal with the extreme depression caused by the discovery that there were not in fact nuclear weapons in Iraq. Afghanistan had similar reasons, though the presence of the Taliban gives us something of a real excuse for it.

[Shie]

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

which level of genocide needs to happen before your get your own state

I'm not going to participate in this demeaning dialogue, the retrieval of Israel doesn't justify genocide.

Your anti-Semitic slippery slope, I will take no part in it.

[Alyakia]

Oh? Then what justifies them?

i can't tell if you're denying that israel fucks over palestian olives or if you're saying it's ok because sometimes buses get blown up and chocolate is actually really dangerous you see

[United Marxist Nations]

Oh? Then what justifies them?

If you don't want a war, don't forcefully establish a state on the lands of another people (in this case, the Palestinians).

[Philippic Peoples]

In our Christian Culture the Jews are Cursed by the God because he showed up to them and they didn't believe him.

[Nazi Flower Power]

The proper question is: Why the majority of people still feel uneasy with Jews.

The majority of people don't. If you do, that's your problem.

[New Aerios]

Hey, Mr OP. Bit of an issue with your 3rd point. I dislike Israel and think it should not exist. Would you label me as antisemitic?

If yes, would you continue to do so despite the fact that I disagree with the existence of Israel because I am an anarchist and disagree with the existence of the state in general?

[Pope Joan]

There could be a sociological reason; one could compare attitudes toward the Chinese in Malaysia, for instance, to attitudes toward the Jews in Europe. Both are close knit societies which stress learning and achievement, and support one another. This tends to lead (what a shock!) to relative economic success, and those who are not willing to imitate their approach are jealous.

Yes, I know there are many poor Jews in the world. Morocco is filled with them, so I hear. But overall, I believe my observation is valid.

I think loaning to your fellow clansmen (landtsman, bruder) with little or no interest is a great idea. What goes around comes around; in the long run, most people in your group should get some.

Where I come from there is similar jealousy of the Amish, who take a similar approach (except that they tend to avoid higher education; but they make up for it with hard work).

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

I don't know what percent of Armenians died in the Armenian Genocide and also don't know what amount of Ukrainians died in the Holodomor, but one'd imagine both are tantamount to one Shoah.

Also, the Poraimos is exactly that but we don't see talks of a Romani state.

[Alyakia]

which level of genocide needs to happen before your get your own state

I'm not going to participate in this demeaning dialogue. Your anti-Semitic slippery slope, I will take no part in it.

don't dodge the question with bullshit accusations of anti-semetism and logical fallacies. how many children need to get up with machetes before shie will officially grant you permission to create your own state?

[United Marxist Nations]

Or what any other people who have had to deal with a genocide experienced.

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

The Rwandan genocide was actually of greater magnitude, since it killed at a far higher rate than the Holocaust. The Armenian genocide and the Belgian genocide in the Congo were pretty bad too.

[Shie]

I'm sure the Ethiopians had enough of us already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War

Had enough of whom? Italians?

Foreigners that don't have good intentions for them.

[MERIZoC]

Hey, Mr OP. Bit of an issue with your 3rd point. I dislike Israel and think it should not exist. Would you label me as antisemitic?

If yes, would you continue to do so despite the fact that I disagree with the existence of Israel because I am an anarchist and disagree with the existence of the state in general?

Anarchists are clearly bigoted against everyone.
*nods*

[Evraim]

A bus bombing by a terrorist group justifies the persecution of people unrelated to that group. Good to know you're a blatant racist then.

Yet another straw man. I don't support racism. I do support restricting access to crucial points for members of a population which is as a whole rather hostile to a neighboring population. I also have no problem assassinating military leaders of the former population, or bombing strategic points. I do have a problem with unnecessary measures.

If you don't want a war, don't forcefully establish a state on the lands of another people (in this case, the Palestinians).

The Palestinians did precisely the same thing to the Jews. And murdering civilians is a crime regardless.

[United Marxist Nations]

There was no historical genocide that reached the magnitude of the holocaust, dismissed.

I don't know what percent of Armenians died in the Armenian Genocide and also don't know what amount of Ukrainians died in the Holodomor, but one'd imagine both are tantamount to one Shoah.

Also, the Poraimos is exactly that but we don't see talks of a Romani state.

Holodomor was not a genocide, but that's for another thread.