Iraqi PM declares "State of Emergency" as ISIS occupy Mosul

[Gauthier]

Why isn't Iraq a parking lot yet?

Because we were expecting them to greet us as liberators, duh.

[New Laikland]

Why isn't Iraq a parking lot yet?

Because we were expecting them to greet us as liberators, duh.

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

Although, Iraq may turn into another Vietnam, which would be a great thing for the US.

[Dracoria]

Because we were expecting them to greet us as liberators, duh.

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

[New Laikland]

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

I'm pretty sure the allies raped and murdered millions of innocent German civilians on the way. Not to mention dropping nukes on civilian populations in Japan.

[Dracoria]

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

I'm pretty sure the allies raped and murdered millions of innocent German civilians on the way. Not to mention dropping nukes on civilian populations in Japan.

The intention was not to destroy everything; the bombs were dropped as an alternative to the even more destructive Operation Downfall. As for Germany, the rape and murder can mostly be blamed on the Soviets. Granted, they did want to reduce Germany to farmland again, but the western allies (except maybe a portion of the French) did not. Rather, the intent was to push the Axis forces back to their own countries and disarm them.

[Senkaku]

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

I'm pretty sure the allies raped and murdered millions of innocent German civilians on the way. Not to mention dropping nukes on civilian populations in Japan.

The raping and murdering was mostly the Soviets, and the firebomb raids killed more than the nukes did. Just sayin'.

That's what you get when you brilliantly ditch American-trained Sunni military personnel in favor of your favorite Shiite goon squads to patrol the region and add to the sense of alienation the Sunnis feel to the point they root for ISIS.

Yep. Maliki's Shia favoritism has finally brought his country down, as expected.

That's what you get when you brilliantly ditch American-trained Sunni military personnel in favor of your favorite Shiite goon squads to patrol the reason and add to the sense of alienation the Sunnis feel to the point they root for ISIS.

And according to the article Rio Cana posted, the Kurds are just waiting for Iraq to go down so they can get their own state. Iraq is fucked.

Well, they're waiting until Iraq is weakened enough that they can break away and Baghdad won't be able to do shit. I think Iraq is going to break into three all by itself. ISIL will keep Mosul and all that, the Kurds will break away (and no one will try to stop them) and probably fight off any ISIL invasions, and the new wave of Shia recruits should be able to start a war of attrition and hold Baghdad and the south.

[Master Shake]

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

I'm pretty sure the allies raped and murdered millions of innocent German civilians on the way. Not to mention dropping nukes on civilian populations in Japan.

Makes you wonder what would be happening now if the US raped the Iraqi population back in 2003...I guess there would be a bunch of half Iraqi,half American child fighters running around fighting the ISIS....

But Seriously it was the Russians who raped 2 million German women and General Patton had the right idea about going into Moscow and finishing the job.In hindsight though if we had the nukes and FDR was alive he would have used them on Berlin...

[Rio Cana]

This news is from three hours ago from Reuters. Its on the Kurds. It really seems we will be getting a new nation in that part of the world.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... 6U20140613

Has for the Iraqi central government saying they have hit back, some think its all hype.

They say even US advisors on an airbase just North of the Iraqi Capital have left. Some wonder if they are making sure US weapons do not fall into enemy hands.

ISIL (as a whole) might have less manpower (although this is being addressed as we speak and they have gained a lot of new recruits and freed fighters recently), they are (I'd argue) better equiped, and even their funding is starting to become roughly on par with them.

Besides that, they are battle-hardened, even more so than the Peshmerga.

There might be some distance between Mosul and Kirkuk and it's heavily fortified by highly motivated troops, but while they might not try to capture it now, they will eventually.

The Kurds most likely are building up the defends of Kirkuk.

Some think the US and Iran will have to work together to try to hold back the rebels. Supposedly, Iran already is helping.
Story - http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-crisis-could ... =samsungwn

[Greed and Death]

ISIL (as a whole) might have less manpower (although this is being addressed as we speak and they have gained a lot of new recruits and freed fighters recently), they are (I'd argue) better equiped, and even their funding is starting to become roughly on par with them.

Besides that, they are battle-hardened, even more so than the Peshmerga.

There might be some distance between Mosul and Kirkuk and it's heavily fortified by highly motivated troops, but while they might not try to capture it now, they will eventually.

The Kurds most likely are building up the defends of Kirkuk.

Some think the US and Iran will have to work together to try to hold back the rebels. Supposedly, Iran already is helping.
Story - http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-crisis-could ... =samsungwn

Iran getting involved could make things scary.

The Sauds do not want a pro Iranian pro Shitte neighbor and they might get involved on ISIS's side.

[Master Shake]

We should just build a DMZ between whoever takes the land over.If its Saudi Arabia on the West and the Iranians on the east that might not be pretty,but at least a DMZ would keep things a little more peaceful as opposed to how things are currently going....

Just split Baghdad like Berlin was split up....

[Senkaku]

We should just build a DMZ between whoever takes the land over.If its Saudi Arabia on the West and the Iranians on the east that might not be pretty,but at least a DMZ would keep things a little more peaceful as opposed to how things are currently going....

Just split Baghdad like Berlin was split up....

And then we have the Kurds blowing shit up in the middle.

[Mizrad]

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

I'm pretty sure the allies raped and murdered millions of innocent German civilians on the way. Not to mention dropping nukes on civilian populations in Japan.

1. That was Russia who raped people, who left the "Allies" like ten minutes after the war ended. There was only a handful of confirmed cases of the other Allied forces troops raping people.

2. It was that or invade them which would have caused Japan to initiate their "Kill all" order which means exactly what you think it means. Then that would have also caused the Allies to lose an ungodly amount of troops.

Anyways, does anybody have an update on how far the ISIS has advanced?

[Master Shake]

We should just build a DMZ between whoever takes the land over.If its Saudi Arabia on the West and the Iranians on the east that might not be pretty,but at least a DMZ would keep things a little more peaceful as opposed to how things are currently going....

Just split Baghdad like Berlin was split up....

And then we have the Kurds blowing shit up in the middle.

I am pro Kurdistan which would be in the north...the wall would divide the southern part of Iraq...

[Mizrad]

And then we have the Kurds blowing shit up in the middle.

I am pro Kurdistan which would be in the north...the wall would divide the southern part of Iraq...

Hell, half of Kurdistan isn't even in Iraq as a matter of fact.

[Blakk Metal]

It wouldn't hurt to send in UN peacekeepers.

UN peacekeepers have done exactly jack shit in every engagement they've been deployed to.

What about the Korean War?

I don't believe anyone is suggesting having Western troops anywhere.
Just send in air support to bomb the shit out of ISIS and let the Iraqi army have the glory, that'll fix the government's support problem right there.

We only sent planes to Libya and still got flak for being foreign, civilian-killing invaders from the Libyan general public.

Fuck their opinions, ISIS must be exterminated.

There was a functioning Iraq to begin with?

Not since the decline of Sumeria.

Sumeria wasn't a polity.

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

http://youtu.be/cdmfPThGZ-s?t=1m39s

[Senkaku]

Dammit. We lost WWII after all?

http://youtu.be/cdmfPThGZ-s?t=1m39s

That looks more like Japan lost, tbh. That is footage of Tokyo, not an allied city.

UN peacekeepers have done exactly jack shit in every engagement they've been deployed to.

What about the Korean War?

The UN forces deployed there were almost entirely American.

But I do agree with your point in general, they have accomplished things and can function as a military force, certainly probably better than the Iraqi Army can.

[Blakk Metal]

http://youtu.be/cdmfPThGZ-s?t=1m39s

That looks more like Japan lost, tbh. That is footage of Tokyo, not an allied city.

That looked like total destruction to me, certainly more destruction than what happened in Iraq.

[Dracoria]

That looks more like Japan lost, tbh. That is footage of Tokyo, not an allied city.

That looked like total destruction to me, certainly more destruction than what happened in Iraq.

The destruction alone wasn't the intent. Efforts were made to avoid leveling the entire country.

[Volnotova]

The Kurds most likely are building up the defends of Kirkuk.

Some think the US and Iran will have to work together to try to hold back the rebels. Supposedly, Iran already is helping.
Story - http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-crisis-could ... =samsungwn

Iran getting involved could make things scary.

The Sauds do not want a pro Iranian pro Shitte neighbor and they might get involved on ISIS's side.

They already are - through funding that abomination we call ISIL/ISIS.

[72o]

Iran getting involved could make things scary.

The Sauds do not want a pro Iranian pro Shitte neighbor and they might get involved on ISIS's side.

They already are - through funding that abomination we call ISIL/ISIS.

source?
According to all I've read the Saudi are not and never have been founding ISIS directly, although some Saudi money might have ended up in the hands of ISIS. Quite the opposite, they've been founding groups to fight ISIS. ISIS has been targeting SA as well: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... syria.html. Like all Islamist they hate the saudi monarchy for collaborating with 'US infidels'.
€ And I'm talking about the saudi government here, not saudi citizens.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Because we were expecting them to greet us as liberators, duh.

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

You're completely wrong, and in this specific case, not if your actual aim was mainly to funnel taxpayers' money into firms your friends have big stakes in. A handful of people got very, very rich from this redistribution away from firms which weren't directed involved in the war to those which were. Everything else was a pointless wash.

As to "HYUK WHEN WAS IRAQ LAST STABLE MUST BE MESOPOTAMIA HYUK HYUK THESE DOON COONS AIN'T GOOD FOR MUCH HYUK", other than a handful of states (basically places full of Brits and their descendants, and that really is it), nowhere has been very stable in how they've been governed in the last hundred or so years. Most of Europe had weird stuff happen, Africa obviously was a mess, same's true of Asia, Latin America had its junta phase between now-reinvigorated semi-feudalism, and so on.

Saying Iraq is unique in going through an Ottoman thing, into being a British-led/supported triplet of of monarchs into being a Nasser-inspired republic for the last sixty-odd years is for people that don't know their history.

[Murbleflip]

Because we were expecting them to greet us as liberators, duh.

If you invade a country and have any intentions other than to destroy everything, you pretty much already lost the war.

Name one war since the 3rd Punic war where the side attempting to destroy everything won.
If you can (and I severely doubt it),compare that to all the wars where the winning side didn't destroy everything in the country they were invading (i.e just about every war since the third Punic war).

[Mkuki]

Can someone explain to me why John McCain thinks that going back into Iraq won't make the situation worse?

[Murbleflip]

Can someone explain to me why John McCain thinks that going back into Iraq won't make the situation worse?

Because he believes the US can restore order?

[72o]

Can someone explain to me why John McCain thinks that going back into Iraq won't make the situation worse?

Why would it make the situation worse? McCain record on foreign policy is pretty good to say the least.