British "Islamic" Schools Extremist?

[Sarkegiapoi]

At least historically anyways. But most of the Irish terrorism has gone down in frequency.

I meant historically. The UK has experience with white terrorism, so they really can't pin down Muslims as inherently more likely to be terrorists.

Yeah but today, who is doing it?? I know that Christianity was the terrorist in the Middle Ages, but in 2014, which religion is doing it. How often do you see catholic terrorists basing their violence off the teachings of the bible? As compared to muslims and their Quran. The Quran is a good book, no dispute, but I believe that Muslims studying the religion in a Christian country will teach a few muslims to hate Christianity.

[Cata Larga]

Oh, God, I really want to argue this, but the thread needs to get back on track.

Cata: I want to argue this, but wait, I have no defense. Let me blame bias for everything.

So, your first two sources. Source number one had a section on the front page dedicated to combating "liberal bias in the media". That tipped me off. Source number two. Firstly, that was a blog, and secondly, not only was that basically a blog, but it was a blog owned by a self-admitted conservative "news" organization.

As for Pew, no, Pew is not biased, but it would have helped if you linked polls which didn't say support for terrorism was waning in the Middle East and USA.

[Geilinor]

I meant historically. The UK has experience with white terrorism, so they really can't pin down Muslims as inherently more likely to be terrorists.

Yeah but today, who is doing it?? I know that Christianity was the terrorist in the Middle Ages, but in 2014, which religion is doing it. How often do you see catholic terrorists basing their violence off the teachings of the bible? As compared to muslims and their Quran. The Quran is a good book, no dispute, but I believe that Muslims studying the religion in a Christian country will teach a few muslims to hate Christianity.

Studying a religion is only a problem when you're told to be violent.

[Sarkegiapoi]

Okay one buddhist country with terrorism vs Thailand muslims bombing thai buddhists. And what about the terrorists in LIbya, Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Saudi, Iraq, Indonesia, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Xinjiang???

Do you realize that one buddhist country is nowhere near the number of muslims?? The other buddhist nations like Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, Laos, China, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea will never attack another people.

Fixed.

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[Sarkegiapoi]

Cata: I want to argue this, but wait, I have no defense. Let me blame bias for everything.

So, your first two sources. Source number one had a section on the front page dedicated to combating "liberal bias in the media". That tipped me off. Source number two. Firstly, that was a blog, and secondly, not only was that basically a blog, but it was a blog owned by a self-admitted conservative "news" organization.

As for Pew, no, Pew is not biased, but it would have helped if you linked polls which didn't say support for terrorism was waning in the Middle East and USA.

yeah fine go ahead and blame bias for everything. If I want to watch CNN, why watch it when it always protects Obama or why watch Fox when it always attacks Obama. I clearly showed a poll that did show terrorism waning. BUT the numbers are still ridiculously high.

[Sarkegiapoi]

Yeah but today, who is doing it?? I know that Christianity was the terrorist in the Middle Ages, but in 2014, which religion is doing it. How often do you see catholic terrorists basing their violence off the teachings of the bible? As compared to muslims and their Quran. The Quran is a good book, no dispute, but I believe that Muslims studying the religion in a Christian country will teach a few muslims to hate Christianity.

Studying a religion is only a problem when you're told to be violent.

And that's that religion for you.

[Geilinor]

Studying a religion is only a problem when you're told to be violent.

And that's that religion for you.

Islam is not inherently violent. That's what I've been trying to hammer into your head for the last several posts. People use religion to excuse violence all the time, but not necessarily because that's what the religion explicitly tells them to do.

[Gauthier]

A Satanist/Objectivist Zionist.

Good one.

What? I'm not Objectivist. I enjoy Ayn Rand, and agree with her on some things and disagree on others. My Satanism is based on that of Anton LaVey, and Satanism is an apolitical philosophy anyway.

LaVey admitted to cribbing ideas from Objectivism for his brand of Satanism.

[Geilinor]

What? I'm not Objectivist. I enjoy Ayn Rand, and agree with her on some things and disagree on others. My Satanism is based on that of Anton LaVey, and Satanism is an apolitical philosophy anyway.

LaVey admitted to cribbing ideas from Objectivism for his brand of Satanism.

LaVeyan Satanism is really just Objectivism given the face of a religion.

[Ordia]

Fixed.

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I inserted South Korea as a joke, as DPRK has attacked them before. However, DPRK isn't buddhist, at least I don't think it's allowed there. Anyways I'm getting off-topic.

[Sarkegiapoi]

And that's that religion for you.

Islam is not inherently violent. That's what I've been trying to hammer into your head for the last several posts. People use religion to excuse violence all the time, but not necessarily because that's what the religion explicitly tells them to do.

So where does the "cleanse all infidels" come from?

[The Emerald Dragon]

I meant historically. The UK has experience with white terrorism, so they really can't pin down Muslims as inherently more likely to be terrorists.

Yeah but today, who is doing it?? I know that Christianity was the terrorist in the Middle Ages, but in 2014, which religion is doing it. How often do you see catholic terrorists basing their violence off the teachings of the bible? As compared to muslims and their Quran. The Quran is a good book, no dispute, but I believe that Muslims studying the religion in a Christian country will teach a few muslims to hate Christianity.

http://www.examiner.com/article/rush-limbaugh-defends-christian-terrorist-group-uganda-so-to-attack-obama

[Gauthier]

LaVey admitted to cribbing ideas from Objectivism for his brand of Satanism.

LaVeyan Satanism is really just Objectivism given the face of a religion.

Because it's less shameful to admit you follow Satan than it is to admit you follow Ayn Rand.

[Cata Larga]

So, your first two sources. Source number one had a section on the front page dedicated to combating "liberal bias in the media". That tipped me off. Source number two. Firstly, that was a blog, and secondly, not only was that basically a blog, but it was a blog owned by a self-admitted conservative "news" organization.

As for Pew, no, Pew is not biased, but it would have helped if you linked polls which didn't say support for terrorism was waning in the Middle East and USA.

yeah fine go ahead and blame bias for everything. If I want to watch CNN, why watch it when it always protects Obama or why watch Fox when it always attacks Obama. I clearly showed a poll that did show terrorism waning. BUT the numbers are still ridiculously high.

As a journalism student, yes, bias disqualifies a source's trustworthiness. But please, watch whatever 24 hour news network you will. I'm satisfied with network news and the BBC.

And with that, I believe this argument has been done to death and the case is open and shut. Let's get back to Islamic schools.

[Allentyr]

And with that, I believe this argument has been done to death and the case is open and shut. Let's get back to Islamic schools.

I agree. I believe religious schools should be monitored by an unbiased government official 24/7 as to not invoke extremism...

[Fordorsia]

Religion just has to be removed from schools and have it enforced. No teaching of it and no teachers who try and spread it.

[Gezi Park]

In liberal muslim nations like Turkey, only 10% see homosexuality as acceptable.

While most of the population might have an unfavorable view of homosexuality (which doesn't necessarily have to do with religion but more its strangeness to the society); LGBT organizations are able to organize rallies and parades unlike in a Christian-majority country like Russia for example. And Turkey's arguably much better about LGBT rights compared to Eastern Europe.

[Nierr]

Religion just has to be removed from schools and have it enforced. No teaching of it and no teachers who try and spread it.

What do you mean by 'teaching of it' though? Like, I can see how teaching the basics of a religion, its founding, its major figures and ideas etc can have a place in the classroom, but actively spreading it or teaching it as though the beliefs of its members are fact could be harmful.

[Fordorsia]

Religion just has to be removed from schools and have it enforced. No teaching of it and no teachers who try and spread it.

What do you mean by 'teaching of it' though? Like, I can see how teaching the basics of a religion, its founding, its major figures and ideas etc can have a place in the classroom, but actively spreading it or teaching it as though the beliefs of its members are fact could be harmful.

I guess I mean no teaching of religion that suggests the school is trying to make young children believe it. Sure, make an optional class teaching about the history and impact of all religions, but don't make religious schools that actively try to convert students by making religious classes compulsory, because it will either corrupt them or make them hate religion, as I do. It doesn't feel good to know you've been put in a catholic school with no choice in what they teach you. I'm just glad I didn't buy into it.

[Genivaria]

If this would set a precedent of forcing private and religious schools to actually follow national law then I'm all for putting pressure on these schools.

[Sarkegiapoi]

yeah fine go ahead and blame bias for everything. If I want to watch CNN, why watch it when it always protects Obama or why watch Fox when it always attacks Obama. I clearly showed a poll that did show terrorism waning. BUT the numbers are still ridiculously high.

As a journalism student, yes, bias disqualifies a source's trustworthiness. But please, watch whatever 24 hour news network you will. I'm satisfied with network news and the BBC.

And with that, I believe this argument has been done to death and the case is open and shut. Let's get back to Islamic schools.

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BBC is argued as a leaning left wing bias.

[Sarkegiapoi]

In liberal muslim nations like Turkey, only 10% see homosexuality as acceptable.

While most of the population might have an unfavorable view of homosexuality (which doesn't necessarily have to do with religion but more its strangeness to the society); LGBT organizations are able to organize rallies and parades unlike in a Christian-majority country like Russia for example. And Turkey's arguably much better about LGBT rights compared to Eastern Europe.

Most Eastern European nations allow homosexual to have sex. This could not be said the majority of muslim nations.

[Genivaria]

LaVeyan Satanism is really just Objectivism given the face of a religion.

Because it's less shameful to admit you follow Satan than it is to admit you follow Ayn Rand.

AQ'd.

[Angleter]

The best thing to do here is to establish actual Muslim faith schools. That would satiate the demand among Muslim parents for education in line with their faith, and the schools would be all run above board, under proper government oversight, and run by more moderate Muslims (since it's naturally the radicals who'd be zealous enough to pull a scheme like this).

[Islamic republiq of Julundar]

What do you mean by 'teaching of it' though? Like, I can see how teaching the basics of a religion, its founding, its major figures and ideas etc can have a place in the classroom, but actively spreading it or teaching it as though the beliefs of its members are fact could be harmful.

I guess I mean no teaching of religion that suggests the school is trying to make young children believe it. Sure, make an optional class teaching about the history and impact of all religions, but don't make religious schools that actively try to convert students by making religious classes compulsory, because it will either corrupt them or make them hate religion, as I do. It doesn't feel good to know you've been put in a catholic school with no choice in what they teach you. I'm just glad I didn't buy into it.

Relgious Instruction v Religious Education.

RE = Denomination #1 believes this stuff and Denomintion #2 believes that stuff.

RI = OUR denomination is the One True FaithTM and we stone you if you don't believe it.

That was the whole point of why Blair set up these Academy Madrassahs.