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Postby SektorE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:34 am

Meridiani Planum wrote:
SektorE wrote:Public nudity should be never allowed. No need to become barbarians again.


Why would public nudity make one "barbarians"?


Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:38 am

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Meridiani Planum wrote:Why would public nudity make one "barbarians"?

Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

Why are those parts considered so "personal"? It's not a secret that humans generally have genitals, and their location is not a secret either.
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Postby Alexanda » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:40 am

Conscentia wrote:
SektorE wrote:Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

Why are those parts considered so "personal"? It's not a secret that humans generally have genitals, and their location is not a secret either.

You did tell me earlier that you would not display your private areas.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:49 am

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Conscentia wrote:Why are those parts considered so "personal"? It's not a secret that humans generally have genitals, and their location is not a secret either.

You did tell me earlier that you would not display your private areas.
Ask yourself the question.

I also said "My social environment has made me prone to irrational feelings and actions."
I didn't say I was happy about it.
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Postby Kiruri » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:51 am

SektorE wrote:
Meridiani Planum wrote:
Why would public nudity make one "barbarians"?


Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

Stop generalizing. Some people just don't give a damn. I, for one, whenever we had to shower (obviously in public showers) nobody gave a damn about being nude or being seen naked. I mean.. men have dicks... shocker... It's not like one doesn't know what the other person's genitals look like. If you make a deal out of nudity, then that's the problem, and not nudity itself. ^^
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Postby Alexanda » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:53 am

Kiruri wrote:
SektorE wrote:
Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

Stop generalizing. Some people just don't give a damn. I, for one, whenever we had to shower (obviously in public showers) nobody gave a damn about being nude or being seen naked. I mean.. men have dicks... shocker... It's not like one doesn't know what the other person's genitals look like. If you make a deal out of nudity, then that's the problem, and not nudity itself. ^^

I haven't ever been in a public shower for that reason.
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Postby SektorE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:57 am

Kiruri wrote:
SektorE wrote:
Because people in civilized societies dress normally and it is being respectful to other people who are with you in public space. Nobody wants to see others personal parts in public.

Stop generalizing. Some people just don't give a damn. I, for one, whenever we had to shower (obviously in public showers) nobody gave a damn about being nude or being seen naked. I mean.. men have dicks... shocker... It's not like one doesn't know what the other person's genitals look like. If you make a deal out of nudity, then that's the problem, and not nudity itself. ^^


You're forcing your opinion on others. Vast majority would still be against public nudity. A lot of people would find it offensive if someone would be naked in public space.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:00 am

SektorE wrote:
Kiruri wrote:Stop generalizing. Some people just don't give a damn. I, for one, whenever we had to shower (obviously in public showers) nobody gave a damn about being nude or being seen naked. I mean.. men have dicks... shocker... It's not like one doesn't know what the other person's genitals look like. If you make a deal out of nudity, then that's the problem, and not nudity itself. ^^

You're forcing your opinion on others. Vast majority would still be against public nudity. A lot of people would find it offensive if someone would be naked in public space.

Er... no he isn't. He isn't advocating mandatory nudity.
You, however, are forcing thy opinion on others.
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Postby SektorE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:07 am

Conscentia wrote:
SektorE wrote:You're forcing your opinion on others. Vast majority would still be against public nudity. A lot of people would find it offensive if someone would be naked in public space.

Er... no he isn't. He isn't advocating mandatory nudity.
You, however, are forcing thy opinion on others.


For society to run smooth there has to be some rules (otherwise we would become barbarians again) and one of them is no nudity in public space. Rules/laws are mutual contracts between members of society and you can't please everyone, compromises have to be made (so enjoy nude beaches). Right now most people don't support public nudity (including me) and I don't see this view becoming minority any time soon.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:09 am

SektorE wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er... no he isn't. He isn't advocating mandatory nudity.
You, however, are forcing thy opinion on others.

For society to run smooth there has to be some rules (otherwise we would become barbarians again) and one of them is no nudity in public space. Rules/laws are mutual contracts between members of society and you can't please everyone, compromises have to be made (so enjoy nude beaches). Right now most people don't support public nudity (including me) and I don't see this view becoming minority any time soon.

Nudity is not a hindrance to the functioning of society. No one is going to start rioting because some guy decided not to wear trousers.

If the majority thought that you had an ugly face, would you be okay with having to wear a mask in public? :eyebrow:
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Postby SektorE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:11 am

Conscentia wrote:
SektorE wrote:For society to run smooth there has to be some rules (otherwise we would become barbarians again) and one of them is no nudity in public space. Rules/laws are mutual contracts between members of society and you can't please everyone, compromises have to be made (so enjoy nude beaches). Right now most people don't support public nudity (including me) and I don't see this view becoming minority any time soon.

Nudity is not a hindrance to the functioning of society. No one is going to start rioting because some guy decided not to wear trousers.

I the majority thought that you had an ugly face, would you be okay with having to wear a mask in public? :eyebrow:


Well it is not the same thing. Laws don't target individuals.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:12 am

SektorE wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Nudity is not a hindrance to the functioning of society. No one is going to start rioting because some guy decided not to wear trousers.
I the majority thought that you had an ugly face, would you be okay with having to wear a mask in public? :eyebrow:

Well it is not the same thing. Laws don't target individuals.

Laws could target individuals if the lawmakers wanted them to, but fine...
What if it were 5% of the population who had to wear a mask because people thought they had ugly faces?

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Postby SektorE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:17 am

Conscentia wrote:
SektorE wrote:Well it is not the same thing. Laws don't target individuals.

Laws could target individuals if the lawmakers wanted them to, but fine...
What if it were 5% of the population who had to wear a mask because people thought they had ugly faces?


Ugliness is a very wide term (everyone sees ugly differently) so it would be impossible to make law regarding ugliness. But laws regarding nudity can be applied to all people.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:19 am

SektorE wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Laws could target individuals if the lawmakers wanted them to, but fine...
What if it were 5% of the population who had to wear a mask because people thought they had ugly faces?

Ugliness is a very wide term (everyone sees ugly differently) so it would be impossible to make law regarding ugliness. But laws regarding nudity can be applied to all people.

Ugliness is why people object to nudity.

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Postby Charomia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:25 am

Conscentia wrote:
SektorE wrote:Ugliness is a very wide term (everyone sees ugly differently) so it would be impossible to make law regarding ugliness. But laws regarding nudity can be applied to all people.

Ugliness is why people object to nudity.


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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:28 am

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Conscentia wrote:If one were comfortable with putting those areas on display, would they still be one's private areas? I think not.

But would you be comfortable with somebody staring at your genitals now?

I'd be wondering why, but sure.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:34 am

If you want to be nude, that's fine but do it in your house or a specifically designated area for nudists. I don't want to see a bunch of naked people when walking down the street.

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Postby Charomia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:35 am

Conscentia wrote:
Charomia wrote:not quite true, also for reasons of awkwardness.

The awkwardness would be absent were it common.


actually it would not considering media/social 'standards' of body and the fact we use clothes to keep us warm and insulated as well as the fact we have been wearing them for thousands of years.

I would rather advocate if you want to prance around nude go live in a specially made country where you can do so.

that way everyone is happy.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:35 am

SektorE wrote:Public nudity should be never allowed. No need to become barbarians again.

Nudity isn't barbaric.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:37 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kiruri wrote:Stop generalizing. Some people just don't give a damn. I, for one, whenever we had to shower (obviously in public showers) nobody gave a damn about being nude or being seen naked. I mean.. men have dicks... shocker... It's not like one doesn't know what the other person's genitals look like. If you make a deal out of nudity, then that's the problem, and not nudity itself. ^^

I haven't ever been in a public shower for that reason.

Which just shows that you have an issue you need to get over.
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Postby Alexanda » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:40 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Alexanda wrote:I haven't ever been in a public shower for that reason.

Which just shows that you have an issue you need to get over.

Not really. You can keep arguing the point that public nudity should be allowed, yet society will not allow it. If everybody wanted it, it would have happened by now.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:41 am

SektorE wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er... no he isn't. He isn't advocating mandatory nudity.
You, however, are forcing thy opinion on others.


For society to run smooth there has to be some rules (otherwise we would become barbarians again) and one of them is no nudity in public space. Rules/laws are mutual contracts between members of society and you can't please everyone, compromises have to be made (so enjoy nude beaches). Right now most people don't support public nudity (including me) and I don't see this view becoming minority any time soon.

Nudity isn't going to suddenly break the fabric of society. You are being melodramtic.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:42 am

Alexanda wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Which just shows that you have an issue you need to get over.

Not really. You can keep arguing the point that public nudity should be allowed, yet society will not allow it. If everybody wanted it, it would have happened by now.

No realy, if you have a problem with people's body parts, or your own body parts, you need help right away. That's seriously not healthy mentally speaking.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:42 am

SektorE wrote:Public nudity should be never allowed. No need to become barbarians again.


Public nudity isn't barbaric. Ancient Hellens after all did all their sports events nude. :p
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