What are the limits of "Slut shaming?"

[Conglomerate of Iron]

The impact of my actions will be permanent. That will be more important than what people say...

Not if noone will acknowledge they were your actions because the words say otherwise.

I do not care if people know of my accomplishments. If those achievements changed the world for the better, then that is good enough.

[Vladislavija]

And guess what, children aren't bothered by nudity until they are taught to be bothered by it.

Wrong. Read "Summerhill" by A. S. Neill.

[Vladislavija]

I condemn pornography because it is bad for society, I don't condemn her.

In what ways does pornography harm society other than "moral decay"?

Same way sweets are bad for society. Just because you like them and don't see any problems in short run, doesn't mean that it won't affect your life in many ways (most of which you don't like).

[Conglomerate of Iron]

In what ways does pornography harm society other than "moral decay"?

Same way sweets are bad for society. Just because you like them and don't see any problems in short run, doesn't mean that it won't affect your life in many ways (most of which you don't like).

But it is not the government's job to restrict peoples freedoms. People have a right to make good or bad decisions for themselves, each individual deciding their own life choices.

[Vettrera]

In what ways does pornography harm society other than "moral decay"?

Same way sweets are bad for society. Just because you like them and don't see any problems in short run, doesn't mean that it won't affect your life in many ways (most of which you don't like).

I don't see how either things are bad in moderation and there is a cost-benefit analysis involved and for me the benefits will likely outweigh the costs, unless you want to elaborate.

[Vladislavija]

1. So what if you get herpes, 2. genital warts or 3. your magical latex shield breaks and you get something worse.

1. People have a moral duty to not transmit herpes to other people. Besides, it can become dormant and won't affect your life thereafter if you have medical attention

2. 90% of people who ever had sex have some strain or another of HPV. It can be contracted at using potty and sitting in wet surfaces with unprotected skin. It's mostly reversible. You should take vaccination against it before you lose your virginity.

3. this is an issue mostly for women and receptive gay men. Of course, still almost none, because correct condom use is you don't ejaculate inside other person wearing it regardless.

2. No one offered me any vaccine against HPV before I lost my virginity. Hell this is the first time I hear HPV vaccine exists at all.

3. Really, cause I am hard pressed to find a person who didn't have broken condom at least once in his life. I think that it is reasonable to expect at least one broken condom per year per person.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I figure the reason that slut-shaming exists is because some people are indiscreet enough about their private lives to warrant being reminded that their ways are improper in the eyes of most.

Surely, it also happens that some prudish individuals take this reminding to excess, but I certainly don't see anything wrong with voicing disapproval towards indiscreet behaviour that goes against the established standards of decency.

[Vettrera]

1. People have a moral duty to not transmit herpes to other people. Besides, it can become dormant and won't affect your life thereafter if you have medical attention

2. 90% of people who ever had sex have some strain or another of HPV. It can be contracted at using potty and sitting in wet surfaces with unprotected skin. It's mostly reversible. You should take vaccination against it before you lose your virginity.

3. this is an issue mostly for women and receptive gay men. Of course, still almost none, because correct condom use is you don't ejaculate inside other person wearing it regardless.

2. No one offered me any vaccine against HPV before I lost my virginity. Hell this is the first time I hear HPV vaccine exists at all.

3. Really, cause I am hard pressed to find a person who didn't have broken condom at least once in his life. I think that it is reasonable to expect at least one broken condom per year per person.

2. I wanna be one less one less, O-N-E L-E-S-S

[Vladislavija]

Same way sweets are bad for society. Just because you like them and don't see any problems in short run, doesn't mean that it won't affect your life in many ways (most of which you don't like).

I don't see how either things are bad in moderation and there is a cost-benefit analysis involved and for me the benefits will likely outweigh the costs, unless you want to elaborate.

Sure. Mechanism is same.

Sweets biologically resemble fruits which are rich and vitamins and hence really important for your body (unless you live next to walmart and can buy vitamin pill). However sweets don't really have vitamins and hence your body is fooled that it is doing something really good for it.

Mastrubation (to porn) biologically resembles sex which is good for you. You get offspring, you relieve tension, activate muscles, get closer with somebody, pass away time... However mastrubation (to porn) does not provide you with benefits sex does.

In both cases, you are being fooled that you are doing something which is really good for you. Usually good enough to die for (climbing into trees to pluck fruits isn't really safe. And I can think of several sex related injuries either from other males or from simple shit happens).

You are free to do cost-benefit analysis, but for majority of people in majority of time optimum is no sweets and no porn.

[ALMF]

From what I see in the bible, misogyny is blatant and commonplace, and therefore I don't really see why several people in this thread that base their lives on Christian values see one of the main issues with porn is that is promotes misogyny.

Well, I haven't posted in this thread before (or read it, for that matter), but count me as one of those many Christians who oppose misogyny and find it to be one of the biggest problems with porn.

As for the Bible, I find its overall message to be one of universal equality and respect for all human beings. If you disagree - well, it is common for people to disagree about the overarching message of a book with over a thousand pages, hundreds of stories, dozens of authors, and multiple running themes. So we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

Just as I wouldn't agree to disagree with someone who siad huck fin is a pro slavory book, I CANNOT agree to digress. The bible is MORE misogynistic than Mine Kompf is antisemitic, and this is coming from a sys man.

[Llamalandia]

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

Really, if you cannot discount words than you need to work on yourself at a personal level.

This thread is about someone who fucking killed herself because of slut shaming. No, that old adage is bullshit. Emotional abuse is absolutely still abuse. If you fail to understand this, then it is you that need to work on yourself at a personal level.

Wrong thread dude. This thread is about be limits of "slut shaming", there's a seller ate threat in the slutshaming bullying death which is misleadingly named something about" bronynism suicide" or the like.

[Llamalandia]

Well, I haven't posted in this thread before (or read it, for that matter), but count me as one of those many Christians who oppose misogyny and find it to be one of the biggest problems with porn.

As for the Bible, I find its overall message to be one of universal equality and respect for all human beings. If you disagree - well, it is common for people to disagree about the overarching message of a book with over a thousand pages, hundreds of stories, dozens of authors, and multiple running themes. So we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

Just as I wouldn't agree to disagree with someone who siad huck fin is a pro slavory book, I CANNOT agree to digress. The bible is MORE misogynistic than Mine Kompf is antisemitic, and this is coming from a sys man.

Copious misspellings aside, I very much doubt that. Plus even if it were true it would matter, God doesn't hate anyone and since the bible is the word of God recorded by man it stands to reason that the bible isn't woman-hating. After all that is the definition of misogyny hatred of females.

[The Alma Mater]

God doesn't hate anyone

The westboro baptist church respectfully disagrees.

[Kernen]

God doesn't hate anyone

The westboro baptist church disrespectfully disagrees.

Fixed

[Dyakovo]

If you have somehow managed to convince yourself that absolutely everyone but you is inferior, maybe they are not being unreasonable when they say mean things to you? It sounds like they might have a legitimate point.

I never said everyone was inferior. Don't misconstrue my words. Those people who feel so insecure about themselves that they seek others out to put them down are inferior. They have self esteem issues thst go deep. They are not worth my time, and I encourage anyone who is harrassed by someone like that to simply ignore them.

Yes, you did.

They are inferior, why should I care about what they have to say?

[Kiruri]

I disagree, in my mind, violent porn and BDSM are not decent and are bad for society as a whole.

BDSM is safe, sane and consensual - more to the point, unless you're somehow being involved in it, it has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Violent porn... well, if the violence is simulated, or at least safe, sane and consensual - I don't see why that's any more objectionable than any other porn.

Exactly. Besides, not like watching violent porno will make you violent/more violent.

[Dyakovo]

Prove "the Lord" exists.
Prove "the Lord" created sex.
Prove "the Lord" only wanted married people to engage in it.

Prove 'the Lord' does not exist.
Prove 'the Lord' did not create sex.
Prove 'the Lord' did not want only married people to engage in it.

Nice argumentum ad ignorantiam.
You made the claim, you're the one that needs to back it up.

[Sefard]

There should be absolutely no shaming of promiscuity. If it affects a person's career and life with friends, and health, then an intervention of sorts is necessary. Otherwise, it is completely unwarranted and wrong.

The old "women aren't responsible for their actions" routine

[Ameige]

Its simple. Don't do it. If some one wants to be a slut, that's their perogitive.
Not anyone else's business how some one decides to live their life.

[Constantinopolis]

God doesn't hate anyone

The westboro baptist church respectfully disagrees.

Do you know how many weird sects there are out there with a few dozen or a few hundred members (i.e. the same size as the westboro baptist church)?

[The Alma Mater]

The westboro baptist church respectfully disagrees.

Do you know how many weird sects there are out there with a few dozen or a few hundred members (i.e. the same size as the westboro baptist church)?

Nope. Thousands probably.
Does it matter how many followers they have to determine correctness of their beliefs though ?

Think hard on this, and remember that 70% of the worlds population is nonchristian before you answer

[ALMF]

That is undoubtedly the most horrendous and despicable "reasoning" I have ever laid eyes upon.


So by your logic most devout Christians I know or hear from are b igotted, hateful homophobes, therefore most to all christians are the same. Tell me, is this now true?

If you think you can overgeneralize and label an entire group of people based solely on your narrow personal expierience you are the most ignorant and arrogant being to ever walk the earth.

Here, ill leave this for you
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

No, that is not equivalent.

Most devout Christians i encounter are bigoted homophobes, thus it is reasonable to say that a good amount of devout Christians are homophobes.

Agian unexceptionable reasoning (despite the true conclusion).

[ALMF]

Prove "the Lord" exists.
Prove "the Lord" created sex.
Prove "the Lord" only wanted married people to engage in it.

Prove 'the Lord' does not exist.
Prove 'the Lord' did not create sex.
Prove 'the Lord' did not want only married people to engage in it.

You made the existence, and past action, claims; ergo, the burden is on you.

[Dyakovo]

There should be absolutely no shaming of promiscuity. If it affects a person's career and life with friends, and health, then an intervention of sorts is necessary. Otherwise, it is completely unwarranted and wrong.

The old "women aren't responsible for their actions" routine

How the fuck did you get that out of what Kel said?

[Distruzio]

Unfortunately, mine has (at least in my eyes). On the flip side, there were several women wherein having relations with them made me see them as more human. It really depended on my state of mind (and soul) at the time.

Indeed. Being intimate with someone, even if you're not actually in a relationship, gives you a glimpse of a side of them that most don't see. Someone's humanity is really very... I don't know... emphasized, when seen from that close (figuratively speaking).

I know what you mean. Some "o" faces are very attractive. Others.... not so much.