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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:36 pm

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I'm just glad to be part of the 9/10 men that watch porn :)
Sure, go on being glad to be a misogynist that abuses women for one's own gratification.

You are advocating slut shaming.

You are a far greater misogynist than a casual porn viewer could ever be.

You are literally punishing women for being sexual, and enforcing a misogynist double standard.

Pull that plank out of your eye, good sir. As a Christian, you should know what I am referring to.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:37 pm

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The Flood wrote:It most certainly is not subjective.

Your slut-shaming is essentially gender hate speech.
How? I'm against promiscuity of both genders, equally.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:38 pm

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The Flood wrote:Sure, go on being glad to be a misogynist that abuses women for one's own gratification.

You are advocating slut shaming.

You are a far greater misogynist than a casual porn viewer could ever be.

You are literally punishing women for being sexual, and enforcing a misogynist double standard.

Pull that plank out of your eye, good sir. As a Christian, you should know what I am referring to.

Are you sure that calling people misogynist solves much?

Also, isn't criticizing people then quoting the "plank/splinter" quote slightly hypocritical?
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:39 pm

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The Flood wrote:Sure, go on being glad to be a misogynist that abuses women for one's own gratification.

You are advocating slut shaming.

You are a far greater misogynist than a casual porn viewer could ever be.

You are literally punishing women for being sexual, and enforcing a misogynist double standard.

Pull that plank out of your eye, good sir. As a Christian, you should know what I am referring to.
You literally didn't read anything I posted earlier in this thread, did you?

I find it appalling that people often only apply stigma to the promiscuity of women, when men deserve that stigma just as much.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:39 pm

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The Batorys wrote:Your slut-shaming is essentially gender hate speech.
How? I'm against promiscuity of both genders, equally.

According to many liberals, that makes you anti-woman. :p
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:39 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.

So is work.

Also, where do you get off telling women what they should and should not do with their own bodies?

You worry about yourself. Let them handle themselves. They are adults, after all.

Maybe you should devote more time to helping the poor and less to worrying about people's sex habits.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:40 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No more than having sex is degrading.
You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

How?

Explain how people who choose to have sex are "degraded."
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Postby Islamic republiq of Julundar » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:41 pm

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Alexanda wrote:I do not, in any way, approve of prostitution. However, to accept somebody one does not have to approve of them. The limits of 'Slut Shaming' are, as far as I know, noted in law.

All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.


I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.

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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:41 pm

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Rocopurr wrote:Why would you need to warn others?

Look out! Person X is probably skilled in the sack!

I know, right?
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:42 pm

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That's just unnecessary. He clearly said 'God'. Not 'a god'.

"God" means different things to different people.

It's a title, not a name.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:43 pm

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Camelza wrote:*Sigh* I'll hate myself later for doing this, but; Why is casual sex degrading?
Because it is an unloving abuse of the human person.

Making a person feel good and happy is abusing them?

Okaaaaaayyy....

Are you against massages, too?
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:43 pm

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The Batorys wrote:All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.


I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.

I think that prostitute is the proper nomenclature......
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Postby Flyover » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:43 pm

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The Batorys wrote:All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.


I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.


That's easily one of the worst arguments against prostitution there is. One: you didn't source it. Two: That does not mean prostitution itself is immoral. For example, if most of the people who made TVs were slaves, it does not mean making TVs is immoral.
Their body, their choice. Your morality means nothing there, since nobody makes you buy/be one.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:44 pm

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Camelza wrote:How so?
Because you are selfishly using another person for personal gratification, in an unloving fashion.

How do you know that I'm not concerned about their happiness as well as my own?

I don't think you have much experience with sex if you think that people can only have good, unselfish sex with a spouse.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:44 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.


100%? No. Sorry.

I'm sure there are instances of abuse in pornography but, by and large, it's a voluntary industry.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:45 pm

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The Flood wrote:You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

How?

Explain how people who choose to have sex are "degraded."


They aren't.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:45 pm

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Camelza wrote:The other person is doing the same.
Yes, that is why it is mutually immoral, for both participants. Both are selfishly dehumanizing another human being for their sexual gratification.

If two friends decide to fuck, but not be in a relationship, are they not still friends? Do they not still see each other as friends and as humans?
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The Batorys wrote:All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.


I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.

the first sentence is ONLY true BECAUSE it is illegal.
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The Batorys wrote:All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.


I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.


Could you provide evidence for that claim?
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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Camelza wrote:So? Their both making each other happy willingly, what is bad about it? And who made you the guardian of morality?
Their purpose is not to make the other person happy, but to make themselves happy. And even if they are doing it for the other person, which is unlikely, they are still providing someone with an illicit pleasure.

Not to mention the many risks of casual sex, such as spreading STDs, accidental pregnancy, or creating emotional harm, all contribute to the inherent immorality of promiscuity.

Something makes me think that you're trying to argue on a subject that you know nothing about.

Good sex results in both people being happy, whether or not they're in a relationship. I can't speak for anyone else here, but for me, it's not really enjoyable unless my partner is also having a good time. And it's not "illicit."

As for spreading STDs and accidental pregnancy... it's not hard to be safe.

Almost anything can result in emotional harm. I've been way more harmed by arguments with friends than by any sex I ever had.

There is nothing inherently immoral about promiscuity.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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The Flood wrote:Yes, that is why it is mutually immoral, for both participants. Both are selfishly dehumanizing another human being for their sexual gratification.

If two friends decide to fuck, but not be in a relationship, are they not still friends? Do they not still see each other as friends and as humans?

No because clearly the man is using the woman for self gratification. Clearly.
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The Flood wrote:How? I'm against promiscuity of both genders, equally.

According to many liberals, that makes you anti-woman. :p

Says the person that thinks Christianity is pro gender-equality....you have little reason to be commenting on the subject if you think that.
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Postby Islamic republiq of Julundar » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:53 pm

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I do not approve of prostitution because a large percentage of Whores are Slaves.

1863 Emancipation Proclamation was about punishing Slave-owners and NOT about punishing the Slaves themselves.


Could you provide evidence for that claim?


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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:54 pm

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Grenartia wrote:Then you admit that have no clue what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.

No. You don't.

You say you've never had sex.

And you're talking about sex.

Sorry, but until you've been intimate with someone in that way, your opinion, quite frankly, isn't worth very much, because it's an opinion with no experience behind it.
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