What are the limits of "Slut shaming?"

[Gaelic Celtia]

It would be an invention of man, yes, but not necessarily meaningless, at least, not any more than things like language are meaningless. Social constructs still have meaning.

If that were the case, you would have to acknowledge the meaning and validity of the supposed social construct that denounces promiscuity.

Yes it does but it does not call them criminals and animals, it is simply frowned upon slightly.

And there is no social construct denouncing casual sex either.

[Dyakovo]

Gren is a faithful christian.

You must be the only person who looks at sigs.

You're religion is in your sig?
I don't look at sigs...

[Dyakovo]

Except, its hardly "acting like an animal". And I'm not a delinquent.

I actually don't get that reference...

A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones reference, there is a character called Gren

But I must ask, how can you reconcile Christianity with the fact that you reject Christian morality? Surely any Christian must at least acknowledge their sins, rather then pretending they don't exist, or trying to justify any un-Christian action they partake in to absolve themselves of feeling guilt.

Gren doesn't reject christian morality.

[Grenartia]

It would be an invention of man, yes, but not necessarily meaningless, at least, not any more than things like language are meaningless. Social constructs still have meaning.

If that were the case, you would have to acknowledge the meaning and validity of the supposed social construct that denounces promiscuity.

Not necessarily.

You must be the only person who looks at sigs.

You're religion is in your sig?
I don't look at sigs...

Huh. Weird.

A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones reference, there is a character called Gren

But I must ask, how can you reconcile Christianity with the fact that you reject Christian morality? Surely any Christian must at least acknowledge their sins, rather then pretending they don't exist, or trying to justify any un-Christian action they partake in to absolve themselves of feeling guilt.

He They doesn't reject christian morality.

So, you can remember my religion, but not my pronouns.

[Murkwood]

Well, people need to know societies boundaries. However, bullying is not the answer. We should educate people on how and, most importantly, why, to make moral choices.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Well, people need to know societies boundaries. However, bullying is not the answer. We should educate people on how and, most importantly, why, to make moral choices.

Indeed, why IS it important for everyone to make choices that conform to one religion's dogma?

[Islamic republiq of Julundar]

Slut shaming = Taliban stoning women to death.

Maybe I am exagerating
If both are exactly the same, then the limit is don't do it evah.

If there are some special occasions where there is a difference, then nobody sent me the memo.

[Dyakovo]

If that were the case, you would have to acknowledge the meaning and validity of the supposed social construct that denounces promiscuity.

Not necessarily.

You're religion is in your sig?
I don't look at sigs...

Huh. Weird.

He They doesn't reject christian morality.

So, you can remember my religion, but not my pronouns.

Sowwy

[The Batorys]

I do not, in any way, approve of prostitution. However, to accept somebody one does not have to approve of them. The limits of 'Slut Shaming' are, as far as I know, noted in law.

All work that you wouldn't do if you weren't being paid is a sort of prostitution.

Because you're always being paid for a service in which you use your body to do work for someone else.

[The Batorys]

Slut shaming wouldn't even exist if people weren't sluts.

Not that there is anything wrong with slut shaming, as there isn't. Immorality is always wrong and should be stopped at the source, lest the immoral be damned to Hell.

Why is it any of your business what other people do with other consenting adults?

Slut shaming reflects far more poorly on the nosy busybodies who engage in it than the "sluts" that they're trying to shame.

[The Batorys]

Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Why should it be condemned?

Why would you even care, unless you're one of the people involved?

How is it even any of your business? Why is it for you to judge?

[The Batorys]

Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.

Maybe you should mind your own business and not worry about other people's sex lives.

Sex was happening before there was any such thing as marriage.

[The Batorys]

I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9

None of that involves condemnation of him fucking at least 1000 different women, of which at least 300 were not his wife
Which I daresay is vastly more different partners than most "sluts" will have had before being slutshamed.

Exactly.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Well, your first mistake is believing that one date means anything in the dating world. Second, one night stands happen. Take it on the chin and move on.

I personally don't think I could ever have a one-night stand. I'm too romantic for my own good. But that doesn't mean I get to chastise people who like one-night stands.

Same. I think I'd love being a sexual partner of a friend, but never have it with strangers. After all, if I accepted strangers, I could already have them.

I think this is still PG-13 to say, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Benuty]

I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9

None of that involves condemnation of him fucking at least 1000 different women, of which at least 300 were not his wife
Which I daresay is vastly more different partners than most "sluts" will have had before being slutshamed.

Kind of hard to slut-shame your son in law and the one who drowns you in gifts [probably why people complained to Reheboam about the high taxes].

[The Batorys]

Well in a physical mechanical sense, yes. I mean, they have tightening suregeries for down there to restore it to umm...factory condition so to speak.

You sound like a virgin to me.

Virgins aren't good at sex. People get better at sex, not worse. Also, from a mechanical standpoint, that includes getting better at using the muscles in that area to... ehm... squeeze. As a virgin has not engaged in much sex with a partner, generally hers will be less... uhm... well-developed... than someone who has been having sex for a while. The only thing that really causes that much permanent stretching is childbirth, and even that can be mitigated through kegels.

A virgin is only better sex if you enjoy the sensation of physically tearing through the hymen... and I don't mean to shame anybody's kink... but that's fucking weird, and in my eyes, a little unsettling, if that's what really gets you off.

Also, as mentioned before, a woman (or anyone) who is in a long term, monogamous relationship, who lives with their partner, is going to generally have more sex than someone who is single and has to go out to find a new partner every time they want to get laid.

So, really, even if lots of sex actually made women "loose," a woman who had just gotten out of a long relationship where she co-habited with her partner, would be considerably "looser" than one who had been single for the same amount of time.

[The Batorys]

Well in a physical mechanical sense, yes. I mean, they have tightening suregeries for down there to restore it to umm...factory condition so to speak.

The supposed ritual breaking of the Hymen thing is a myth which I feel should be covered in sex ed.

Indeed. Not all women even really have hymens significant enough to break. And lots of those who do break them far before they become sexually active, just by being active in general.

[The Batorys]

The limits of 'slut shaming' is if they break an actual law, including harassment.

I'm one for sexual freedom but I would never restrict those assholes ability to spout hate. This is because if we did, it would also hinder our rights to freedom of speech.

I'm in favor of social, not legal, consequences for slut shaming.

Sure, someone may be free to call someone else a slut. But the rest of us are free to call the person doing the slut-shaming a sexist shithead.

[The Batorys]

Engaging in physical expression of love is immoral? How so? For more credibility, try and answer without citing one religions dogmatic beleifs.

And what do you describe as casual? Sex out of marriage? Or sex for pleasure? How is engaging in sexual activity with a consenting partner for enjoyment in anyway negative or detrimental? Also, why should you care what one does in the bedroom so long as it does not directly impact you?

I'm tired of people expressing this "why should you care if it doesn't affect you?" attitude. It's the most selfish bloody conceited thing I've ever heard. Why the hell should I only care about myself? Why the hell do you encourage that? People SHOULD care what others do, for the good of all humanity, people should care for their brothers and sisters, and not simply concern themselves with their own person only.

It's not a "you should only care about you" idea.

It's a "you should mind your own damn business and stay out of other people's personal lives" idea.

You think someone else's sexual behavior is unappealing? If they're not doing anything nonconsensual (which would be everyone's problem), you should keep your goddamn mouth shut, because it's their life, not yours, and nobody fucking asked you.

You think a woman is dressed inappropriately? You should keep your goddamn mouth shut, because it's her decision to choose how she's going to look, not yours, and nobody fucking asked you.

It's like if you were eating an ice cream sundae, because you felt like treating yourself, and I came up and started insulting you for eating the "wrong" kinds of ice cream, and having far too much ice cream. How would that be in any way acceptable? Who would be the asshole in that situation?

[The Batorys]

If a person sleeps around, i'll quietly tell people, to warn them.

Other than that, i'll do nothing.

Warn them of what?

That she likes sex?

Oh man, so dangerous.

Next you'll probably quietly warn people about stepping on sidewalk cracks.

[The Batorys]

Why would you need to warn others?

Just so they know everything before making a decision, whether they sleep with anyone isn't my business, but the people who will sleep with them need to be told.

Imagine.

"That guy/girl sleeps around and has an STD, i'm just telling you in case you decide to sleep with him/her"

instead of.

1.) Doesn't tell person
2.) The person who wasn't told has sex with infected person
3.) Person may now be infected with disease.

How on earth would you know if someone has an STD or not?

Do you think everyone who sleeps around has one?

Do you think that people who like sex are too stupid to protect themselves?

That's kind of a shitty thing to gossip about.

[The Batorys]

How about you step out of other people's sex lives simply because it's none of your business, please?

It is my business to be concerned with the moral righteousness of the human race.

Maybe you should worry about your own fucking moral righteousness first.

Last I checked, it's not all that moral to get involved in other people's private lives without asking. In fact, it's pretty immoral and shitty.

Maybe you should pull that plank out of your eye.

[Gaelic Celtia]

It is my business to be concerned with the moral righteousness of the human race.

Maybe you should worry about your own fucking moral righteousness first.

Last I checked, it's not all that moral to get involved in other people's private lives without asking. In fact, it's pretty immoral and shitty.

Maybe you should pull that plank out of your eye.

This.

[The Batorys]

No, it's not. Morality is subjective, not objective, and we're arguing about amoral issues here. Let people live their own lives while you live out yours.

It most certainly is not subjective.

Your slut-shaming is essentially gender hate speech.

[The Flood]

I'm tired of people expressing this "why should you care if it doesn't affect you?" attitude. It's the most selfish bloody conceited thing I've ever heard. Why the hell should I only care about myself? Why the hell do you encourage that? People SHOULD care what others do, for the good of all humanity, people should care for their brothers and sisters, and not simply concern themselves with their own person only.

It's not a "you should only care about you" idea.
It's a "you should mind your own damn business and stay out of other people's personal lives" idea.
You think someone else's sexual behavior is unappealing? If they're not doing anything nonconsensual (which would be everyone's problem), you should keep your goddamn mouth shut, because it's their life, not yours, and nobody fucking asked you.
You think a woman is dressed inappropriately? You should keep your goddamn mouth shut, because it's her decision to choose how she's going to look, not yours, and nobody fucking asked you.

I would not walk up to such a person and call them a slut to their face, I would not say a thing to them. Nor would I want anyone else to make derogatory remarks at them.

It's like if you were eating an ice cream sundae, because you felt like treating yourself, and I came up and started insulting you for eating the "wrong" kinds of ice cream, and having far too much ice cream. How would that be in any way acceptable? Who would be the asshole in that situation?

It would depend on the type of ice cream. If I was eating raisin ice cream, you would be perfectly justified in telling me it was bad